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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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for kjcr the game changer in nx networks

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racehobbs i am your host jimmy church

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and tonight we welcome very special

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guest scott walter is here

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a full night of templars

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and ufos tomorrow night dave schrader is

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with us we're going to be talking about

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the rise of the gods on marvel

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that's right that's tomorrow night it's

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gonna be great thursday is another fader

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night with open lines all night long

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what a great week

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what a great week on the show now coming

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this year i will be speaking at the x

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on friday night this is an online event

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the forbidden knowledge tour space is

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cern's large hadron collider otherwise

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i don't even know what that means

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all right now let's move on to mars

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than the previous largest event recorded

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five times

291
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anna horlston of the university of

292
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bristol and colleagues were able to

293
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identify reflected pp and ss waves from

294
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the magnitude 4.2 event

295
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and locate its origin in the valet

296
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menaris

297
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now

298
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s 1000a the magnitude 4.1 event was

299
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recorded 24 days later but the

300
00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:45,680
researchers could not pinpoint the s

301
00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:49,199
1000 a's location

302
00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:51,199
mars quakes

303
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:53,680
they say it's a dead planet

304
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:57,040
ah man what was the movie

305
00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:00,000
uh the tv series

306
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about mars

307
00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:04,399
and they they got the two cities going

308
00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,279
there

309
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,040
started to compete

310
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:09,120
for mars water

311
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,000
remember that one had water one didn't

312
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:14,160
ah man that was a good series it ended

313
00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:16,560
for no reason but anyway

314
00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:17,600
um

315
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,959
it was earthquakes on mars

316
00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:22,800
that led to water

317
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it was the water

318
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that was making the earthquakes i'm just

319
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saying

320
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:30,639
it was in a tv series must be true

321
00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:37,189
on this day in history

322
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otd

323
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1865

324
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john wilkes booth is killed when union

325
00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:47,600
soldiers track him down to virginia on a

326
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,000
farm 12 days after he assassinated

327
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:52,480
president abraham lincoln he was in a

328
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:53,519
barn

329
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he was locked in

330
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:57,120
and

331
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,279
they lit the barn on fire but that's not

332
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,600
how he died they just kept shooting kept

333
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:03,759
shooting into the flaming barn

334
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:05,839
and then found out they shot and killed

335
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:06,480
him

336
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:10,320
damn 1865 fader fact

337
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:16,389
now listen

338
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:25,350
you ready in 1940 hallett french

339
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:27,680
an insurance agent

340
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:32,399
in 1840 in 1940 did i say 1840

341
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:36,240
did i say 1840 in 1940

342
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:39,279
hallett french an insurance agent

343
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:42,959
sold an 800 000 insurance policy on the

344
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:45,920
tacoma narrows bridge

345
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:49,600
and then stole the 8 000 premium he

346
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:50,880
literally

347
00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:53,360
deposited in his

348
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:54,880
checking account

349
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,959
i'm not making that up

350
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,920
hallett

351
00:17:02,470 --> 00:16:59,759
thought the new bridge

352
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:02,480
was indestructible

353
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,919
four months later it collapsed

354
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:07,520
he got caught

355
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:15,750
and that

356
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,919
is your fader fact tonight we welcome

357
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,679
very special guest scott walters here

358
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,120
we're going to be discussing templars

359
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,799
and ufos

360
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:23,760
and

361
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:25,439
uh tomorrow night dave schrader is with

362
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:26,640
us we're going to be talking about the

363
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,480
ra the rise of the gods on marvel

364
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,080
thursday's another fader night with open

365
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:34,000
lines all night long but what's so great

366
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:35,919
about this week is we have this new

367
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,679
video format

368
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,679
so every guest

369
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:41,679
from here on out until we start hitting

370
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:44,960
repeats in in four or five months

371
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:47,600
but every guest will be the first time

372
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:48,960
that they've been on

373
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:51,520
fade to black with video

374
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:52,640
and

375
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:58,080
um we go way back i mean

376
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,679
if we go scott and i go so far back

377
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,960
together

378
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:05,039
uh to the beginning of fade to black i

379
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:06,640
don't know how many shows we've done

380
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:09,440
together i i don't have any i really

381
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:11,840
don't um but

382
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,880
uh

383
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,400
right after i started fade to black i

384
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:17,280
got offered the the gig over at coast to

385
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,720
coast am

386
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:20,160
and

387
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,640
who did i call first

388
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:24,480
scott walter

389
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,919
said scott

390
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,320
you want to be my first guest on coast

391
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:30,559
to coast

392
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:32,799
that's how far back

393
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:36,000
scott and i go and we've never

394
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:37,919
done video together

395
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:40,799
and so now this is what's great i get to

396
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,000
go down my best friend's list

397
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,160
and say the same thing to everybody man

398
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:48,240
come on we've got video now all those

399
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,360
great conversations they've only been me

400
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:53,600
now we can do them together this is

401
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:54,720
awesome

402
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:57,039
so i'm looking forward to the next three

403
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:58,640
or four months

404
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,240
with this new thing

405
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:02,720
that we've got going on here

406
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:11,510
river moon coffee

407
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,720
fade to black blend man

408
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:17,120
you know what i did tonight

409
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,720
this

410
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,600
is

411
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:22,160
fade to black blend

412
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,600
but uh

413
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,280
this

414
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,760
has got uh

415
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:29,840
extra creamy

416
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:30,880
heavy

417
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,110
the good stuff oh

418
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:39,039
man

419
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,160
oh

420
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,120
i could stop the show right now stop it

421
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,360
right now and just drink coffee

422
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,960
and i'm good

423
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,400
call up scott scott let's just drink

424
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,640
coffee tonight man get your coffee goes

425
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,799
just talk coffee all night

426
00:20:04,789 --> 00:19:54,559
because that's how inspiring it is

427
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,149
cj i don't know what this gif is

428
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:10,559
but that's pretty cool

429
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,510
oh look at that face

430
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,120
i mean it's funny

431
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:21,520
it's funny i don't think it's real it's

432
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,559
funny though okay all right

433
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:25,919
ah

434
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:28,159
scott walters on with us tonight what is

435
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:29,760
it

436
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,029
i mean

437
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:44,070
every researcher

438
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,840
that is into ufos and starts with ufos

439
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,760
and they're

440
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,600
doing their thing

441
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:53,280
ends up

442
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,720
in the lost history rabbit hole

443
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,799
every single one

444
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,799
everyone

445
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:02,640
it's crazy

446
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:05,840
in scott walter's case

447
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,190
because

448
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:14,080
he left ufos and aliens alone

449
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:15,200
and

450
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,080
talking over the years off the year uh

451
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,480
no man i know nothing about ufos

452
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,000
nailings no we're not gonna talk about

453
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:26,080
that tonight i said but no no to me i

454
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,799
know

455
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,360
no no no no no no not gonna do it i'm

456
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,559
not going there

457
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,600
i'm uh i i deal with rocks

458
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,280
right

459
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,520
talk to me about the masons

460
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,320
talk to me about the templars

461
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,640
talk to me about rocks

462
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:44,880
no ufos and aliens

463
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,760
but look at scott now anyway

464
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:48,960
anyway

465
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,640
every ufo researcher

466
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:55,280
eventually gets stuck in that rabbit

467
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:56,320
hole

468
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:59,200
and it's so easy to do

469
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:00,080
and

470
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:01,200
uh

471
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,830
ufos see him in the sky

472
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,840
okay right

473
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,799
now

474
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,400
how do you go and investigate that

475
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,320
further right

476
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,480
you see a light in the sky you see

477
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:18,400
during the day

478
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,360
night

479
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,039
witnesses

480
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,440
abductions the books the documentaries

481
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:26,559
and you but where do you go right where

482
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,789
with lost history

483
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,440
it's there

484
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,000
you can go and research

485
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,679
the past

486
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,000
and it's there it's up to you

487
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,080
to figure out what's real and

488
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,000
what isn't

489
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,360
but truly the past has been covered up

490
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,919
for a lot of different reasons

491
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,799
and so you can go and do the easy thing

492
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:57,440
man you go to egypt go to egypt there's

493
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,559
the great pyramid how did that get built

494
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,200
who who built that that right there is

495
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:05,120
lost history because we don't know

496
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,200
that's lost history it's easy to do

497
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,200
and it's easy to speculate and as a

498
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,520
researcher when you start getting into

499
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,360
things like that

500
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,919
and you go look at stonehenge stonehenge

501
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,799
it's just sitting there it's there it's

502
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,600
different than ufos it's there you can

503
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,840
go but nobody knows

504
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:28,400
it just appeared there nobody knows

505
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,640
anything that is lost history go back

506
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,320
lee tappy

507
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,720
lost history we know nothing

508
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,320
it's the funnest thing to do and it's

509
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,880
physically it's there we can go and look

510
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,000
at it

511
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,960
and then we have scott walter

512
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,440
when we start to look at

513
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,200
uh

514
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,159
what from the very beginning things are

515
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,880
changing though scott has played a big

516
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,080
part in this

517
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,760
but when

518
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:00,159
i was a kid

519
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:06,789
we're taught about 1492.

520
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,240
christopher columbus discovers america

521
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,400
right and that's the story that's the

522
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,279
story christopher columbus

523
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,159
three ships with templar crosses on him

524
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,279
by the way three ships

525
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,799
and uh

526
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,720
and discovers

527
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:27,039
discovers everything

528
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,919
and

529
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:29,679
now

530
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,360
clearly that is not the case and

531
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,760
because of the efforts of scott walter

532
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,360
and others

533
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:40,240
talking about that portion of history

534
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,919
which is recent this was 1492

535
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,279
and

536
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,880
there were ships sailing all over the

537
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,799
place all over the world discoveries

538
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,559
being made all the time

539
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:52,000
and

540
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:56,000
was christopher columbus the first

541
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
or

542
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,440
did something else go down

543
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,480
and the reason why this part of history

544
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,919
for me

545
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,480
and i'm sure that scott and i one way or

546
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,880
another tonight we'll discuss this

547
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,279
is that when we look at the kensington

548
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,200
ruinstone

549
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,559
and its significance and where it was

550
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,960
found and how it was found and and who

551
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,400
put it there

552
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,080
reveals

553
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,159
a land grab

554
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:25,760
now here we have the united states

555
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,960
arguably the coolest place on earth all

556
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:31,600
right to live right it's really cool

557
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,640
here yeah people can debate it and and

558
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:37,039
stuff but it's really cool

559
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:38,480
this

560
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,960
is the united states

561
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,360
but what if

562
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,360
hundreds of years before christopher

563
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:47,039
columbus

564
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:50,559
that somebody else was here

565
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,240
and claimed the land

566
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,039
right that this could be

567
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,679
the united states of scandinavia

568
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,070
and that

569
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:06,640
is a reason for a cover-up

570
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:10,559
so no matter what and and it's not just

571
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,919
the kensington ruinstone many

572
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,440
civilizations could have been here

573
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:17,360
before christopher columbus

574
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,520
and uh it if if that is indeed the case

575
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,400
you would want to cover that up

576
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,799
you don't want to have

577
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,120
another country laying claim to the

578
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,000
united states in a legitimate sense

579
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:35,360
and if the kensington runestone

580
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,840
was

581
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:39,520
legitimately verified

582
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,320
by

583
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,240
the united states

584
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,080
and universities

585
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,679
as being what

586
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,320
it's it is said to be

587
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,840
through scott's research and

588
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,559
others

589
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,679
then

590
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,400
we don't have the united states and all

591
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,559
of the history that has been established

592
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:01,360
here i'm talking about great britain in

593
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,360
france the louisiana purchase

594
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,799
all of that

595
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,720
what if that was

596
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:10,559
that's all

597
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,230
finland

598
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,760
norway

599
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,520
think about that

600
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,840
and that is lost history

601
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,559
and that is what makes things so much

602
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,440
fun

603
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,159
and it's an easy thing to do because

604
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,640
once you're a ufo researcher

605
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,360
and you're into this subject or bigfoot

606
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,520
ghost the paranormal

607
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,919
you know time travel all that stuff you

608
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,919
have an open mind and you are looking

609
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,240
for answers and you have questions and

610
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:44,720
you're moving forward right and that's

611
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,320
it and when lost history is right there

612
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,159
the same reasons we are looking into

613
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:52,159
this are the same reasons you look into

614
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,279
our past

615
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:56,080
and wonder why things have been covered

616
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,039
up

617
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:59,120
and i said it last night on this show to

618
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,640
whitley strieber told you about that

619
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,760
autograph in my balboa high school

620
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,720
sophomore year yearbook

621
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,679
steve

622
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,440
next door neighbor

623
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,320
he's in the army uh he's married to a

624
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,360
woman named tree steven tree

625
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,240
t-r-e-e her name was tree uh he signs my

626
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,320
yearbook the world is not what it seems

627
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,240
that's his autograph

628
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,440
and that's how i have lived my life ever

629
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,200
since

630
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,039
ever said all the other autographs in

631
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,799
that year but jimmy you rock yeah

632
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,399
guitars forever

633
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,440
uh

634
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,360
smoke weed whatever it is you know that

635
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,520
you write in a sophomore year book you

636
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:41,360
know pages and pages and pages there's

637
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,080
steve's the world is not what it seems

638
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,559
and that's why i enjoy

639
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,240
lost history

640
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,559
this is fade to black tonight on lost

641
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:53,919
history night

642
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,960
scott walter is with us

643
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,720
and it is going to be one of those

644
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,320
conversations and it's the first time

645
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,399
that scott and i the both of us have

646
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,240
been here on video

647
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,760
this is fade to black i'm your host

648
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,039
jimmy church tomorrow night dave

649
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,679
schrader is with us and then thursday

650
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,640
night is another fader night with open

651
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,279
lines all night long i'll be right back

652
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,640
after this short break with our guest

653
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:19,600
scott walter stay right there

654
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:51,510
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is not your father's radio show

711
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,840
on the game changer radio network

712
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,919
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

713
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:49,200
you're listening to jimmy

714
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:56,070
[Music]

715
00:33:14,149 --> 00:32:58,050
radio

716
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,549
all right welcome back fade to black i

717
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,640
am your host jimmy church

718
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,159
tonight scott walters here we're going

719
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,720
to be discussing templars

720
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:24,640
and ufos

721
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:25,840
it's the first time we have been

722
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,559
together on video before you fade or not

723
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:30,240
it's gonna be a great night scott is an

724
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,519
author

725
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,799
host of

726
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,200
america unearthed and has been president

727
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,360
of the american petrographic services

728
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,120
since 1990

729
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,120
scott is responsible for the independent

730
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:43,679
petrographic analysis testing laboratory

731
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,480
where

732
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,960
the kensington runestone was brought for

733
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,679
investigation in the year 2000

734
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,159
he has been the principal photographer

735
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,760
in more than 7

736
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:55,919
500 investigations throughout the united

737
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,279
states canada and puerto rico including

738
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,600
the evaluation of fire damage concrete

739
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:03,440
at the pentagon following the attacks of

740
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,840
september 11

741
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:07,039
2001. both of his websites

742
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:08,720
thehooktax.com

743
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,470
are over on our website and you can go

744
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,079
and check those out and i would like to

745
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,839
welcome back to fade to black the one

746
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,879
and only

747
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,280
scott walter scott there he is how you

748
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,599
doing my man i'm doing great jimmy and i

749
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,280
got to tell you i'm pretty excited but

750
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,879
before we get going i have a question

751
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,399
for you yeah

752
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,839
is this the first week that you have

753
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,960
done um

754
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,879
these uh video

755
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:37,839
interviews

756
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:41,359
yeah we uh uh technically yes we

757
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:44,560
we ramped up last week ironed out some

758
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,320
issues uh this week is the first first

759
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,079
week where i think our feet are on the

760
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,639
ground okay so but i'm going somewhere

761
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,599
with this so last night was the first

762
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,240
time you did an interview ever

763
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:00,320
like this right

764
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,359
sort of

765
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:02,640
yeah okay

766
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,760
my thunder here man okay i just want

767
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,680
everybody to know and i'm not trying to

768
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,240
toot my own horn but i really i'm saying

769
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,800
this is a compliment to you and really

770
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,040
uh so people can appreciate

771
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,920
um our friendship um i was supposed to

772
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,560
be on last night right yes and and we

773
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,400
switched because somebody had a conflict

774
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,240
which is no problem but i just want to

775
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,119
say i was supposed to be the first guy

776
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,079
to do an interview like this and that's

777
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,000
the way it was supposed to go down it

778
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,400
doesn't matter it's just that i want to

779
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,359
tell you how how much i appreciate that

780
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,079
and i do think it says something about

781
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,839
i mean everything we've been through and

782
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,839
the support you've given me and i i got

783
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:48,079
to just tell you jimmy i appreciate it

784
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,440
and um

785
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,119
it's it's awesome i'm thrilled to be

786
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:53,440
here yeah and and i appreciate that

787
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:57,280
scott and and i i think that

788
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,599
uh the audience by now has picked up on

789
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,240
uh our special bond uh that is between

790
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:07,280
us but um and i mentioned uh coast to

791
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,400
coast

792
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,400
and and i kind of told a fib i'm gonna

793
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,000
tell everybody actually what happened

794
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,079
i'm pushing the shopping cart

795
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
through fries

796
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,839
and and scott knows the story and i call

797
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:19,760
up scott from fry's i'm pushing the

798
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,800
shopping cart and uh i just got the gig

799
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,760
at coast and i said uh scott

800
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,560
would you like to be my guest on on

801
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,400
coast to coast you know i just started

802
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,119
over there and scott goes yeah i'm kind

803
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,640
of busy i did not say that right scott

804
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,200
come on i could really jimmy not right

805
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,000
janet and i got plenty i know

806
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,480
i think i'm playing football that day

807
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,079
and and

808
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:47,839
i'm i'm booked up

809
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:51,920
um but and see and this is the deal um

810
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,920
uh for everybody um when i call up scott

811
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,920
or he calls me whatever but when i call

812
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
up scott and say scott

813
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,680
let's do something

814
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,560
uh the answer is always immediately a

815
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,680
yes but the great thing is

816
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:10,079
what do we talk about because there are

817
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,240
so many things right so many areas uh

818
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,000
that we can go into

819
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:18,480
and that's the funnest part uh when i

820
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,160
have you on the show scott is is getting

821
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,160
other stuff out of the way there's so

822
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:26,640
much that we can talk about right

823
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,640
and and and so i mentioned early on uh

824
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,440
uh in my intro on the show

825
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,440
i'm gonna i'm gonna take a wild guess

826
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,920
here we are in 2022 by the way so you

827
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,520
and i have been doing interviews now for

828
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,640
nine years

829
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,960
that's that's crazy to think about but

830
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,000
um

831
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:45,599
i'm gonna say that

832
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,040
eight of those nine years

833
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,400
were non-ufo and non-alien or

834
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,119
seven seven of those nine years where

835
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,920
you were you were like no man i'm not

836
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,760
going there i'm not going

837
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
i couldn't do anything i i i didn't know

838
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,480
anything and and my how the world has

839
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,160
changed right

840
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,240
do you remember the uh

841
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,839
the phone call

842
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:12,480
two years ago you called me up

843
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:13,359
and

844
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,200
i said oh go crap okay all right

845
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,240
uh yes i am officially sitting down

846
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,720
okay man i gotta ask you some ufo

847
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,760
questions

848
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,400
i said what do you remember that phone

849
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,160
call yes yes

850
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,720
like what is going on scott and you said

851
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,400
man uh

852
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,240
we'll save that for another show

853
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,920
you go abcd i was like what

854
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,480
are you kidding me and janet is sitting

855
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:44,480
next to you in the car going

856
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,270
yeah i'll never you know what jim and it

857
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,520
is i i don't even there's a couple

858
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:54,880
stories that i would like to tell you

859
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:57,599
tonight about how strange and how weird

860
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,359
this whole experience has been and

861
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,440
um you know stop me if i told the story

862
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,920
before when we get to that point but

863
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,560
man ever since this ufo uh subject

864
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,720
matter has come into my life it's just

865
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,520
been like a hard left turn

866
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,920
um but you know what as strange as it's

867
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,079
been it's really been it's been

868
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,880
eye-opening i have uh it's forced me to

869
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,720
kind of rethink some of the things i

870
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,000
thought i knew

871
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,880
about the world and about life and

872
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,880
um you know it's it's it's a good thing

873
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,200
to sort of take take a step backwards

874
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,440
and i mean i was i've been plowing ahead

875
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,599
so hard with everything i've been doing

876
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,960
all these years

877
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:38,720
it's actually been kind of nice to take

878
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,839
a little bit of a of a left turn and try

879
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,240
something different and boy oh boy has

880
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,160
this been different

881
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,359
but it's good and and and another thing

882
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:51,119
that i just mentioned and i think it's a

883
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,359
point worth uh bringing out is that

884
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,880
most ufo researchers are paranormal

885
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:00,320
researchers

886
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:03,920
end up eventually in into lost history

887
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,800
and the paths always you know take you

888
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,319
down these certain roads whether it's

889
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,480
egypt or stonehenge or

890
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:12,640
or the mayan cultures and central and

891
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,640
south american thing you you you go down

892
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:19,680
these rabbit holes in in lost history

893
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,760
and that's our path we start with ufos

894
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,920
we end up with rocks

895
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,520
you

896
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,720
with rocks

897
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:31,599
and

898
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,480
ended up in in the ufo world very

899
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,720
straight away but but this is i think

900
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,880
this is the excellent point is you've

901
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,720
got that foundation you've got that

902
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,280
foundation of lost history and and out

903
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:49,839
there chasing the story and

904
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:53,359
and what rocks and geology means and and

905
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,040
and languages and and alphabets and

906
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,319
inscriptions you have that foundation

907
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,119
and then when this ufo thing starts to

908
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
come out aliens contact uh whatever

909
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,400
you've got that foundation behind you

910
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,640
most researchers don't have that so you

911
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,200
did the opposite approach but i think in

912
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,200
the end you won

913
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,839
well i don't know if i won but um i i

914
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:20,079
think having that base was good right

915
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,800
and

916
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,079
you know i i joke about having a strong

917
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,560
foundation when you're building a case

918
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,240
you have to have evidence but it starts

919
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,920
with a strong base and what could be

920
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,880
better than

921
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:32,560
the best strong base than the earth

922
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,160
itself right and so um that's where you

923
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,000
know my world starts and it comes up

924
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,480
from there but yeah it has been a really

925
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,720
strange ride but you know when when you

926
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,319
were i'm just listening to you just now

927
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:46,839
just describe that jim and to some

928
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,400
people uh the paranormal ufo world seems

929
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,640
like a completely different

930
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,520
uh worlds away if you will subject

931
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,440
matter when you're talking about

932
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,400
uh runestones and and uh controversial

933
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,359
history and uh you know egypt and all

934
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,880
that but really

935
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,800
uh the more i dig into this the more i

936
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,960
find that they dovetail together way

937
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,520
more than you can possibly imagine

938
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,480
and

939
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,200
um you know i have to be honest with you

940
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,480
i've actually been uh looking at alien

941
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,200
artifacts for over 10 years

942
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,040
we had a conference here in minnesota

943
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,640
about 10 years ago the paradigm

944
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,280
symposium and i walked into that thing

945
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,440
and there was this guy sitting there

946
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,440
uh who ended up being a guest on the

947
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,079
show uh mark russell and he had a whole

948
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,920
table of these artifacts and i came

949
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,319
walking in and remember i don't know

950
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,319
anything about this subject matter and i

951
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,240
see this stuff on the table

952
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,720
like this

953
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,079
right

954
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,319
now if you take a closer look at this

955
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,720
artifact jim do you see the symbols on

956
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,560
there i do

957
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,520
okay

958
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,680
now

959
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,440
look closely and you will see

960
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,839
not one of them repeats

961
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,839
right

962
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,839
this is not an alphabet

963
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,760
it's not a language

964
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,880
um

965
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,960
i don't know what the hell it is frankly

966
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,839
but i became this is really what got me

967
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,520
intrigued to begin with were these

968
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,440
symbols and i've got several of these

969
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,800
artifacts

970
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,280
and starting 10 years ago

971
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,200
i talked with a good friend of mine and

972
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:25,839
a brilliant researcher alan butler who

973
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,040
wrote many um what i i consider to be

974
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,040
the finest books on the knights templar

975
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,640
but he's also very open to the

976
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,960
paranormal and certainly the ufo subject

977
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,960
matter and he took an interest in this

978
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,079
too but what got alan going wasn't so

979
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,480
much the symbols which

980
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,240
he was interested in although that's

981
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,880
what i resonated with he was interested

982
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:48,800
in the depiction

983
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:52,880
of spacecraft of of heavenly bodies of

984
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,680
objects in the heavens and the size and

985
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,200
the ratios

986
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,680
of these different heavenly bodies now a

987
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,359
lot of people don't realize it but

988
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,720
there's incredible mathematical ratios

989
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,200
that are associated with the sun the

990
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,760
moon uh the earth and all the other

991
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,319
planets to the point where if you

992
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,400
understood it all you would just go wait

993
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,800
a minute that can't be possible

994
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,680
but it's true and those same ratios that

995
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,400
alan has written about is depicted on

996
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,160
these artifacts

997
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,079
and that to him

998
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,240
being mathematically correct is

999
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,440
something that just blew his mind away

1000
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,680
now these symbols

1001
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,079
um i i went down the rabbit hole so far

1002
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,800
with these things jim is i

1003
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:41,599
started to write them out i would draw

1004
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,400
them

1005
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,400
uh and i have a book i can show it to

1006
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,880
you where i wrote down over a thousand

1007
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,240
symbols on a bunch of these artifacts

1008
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:52,880
not one repeats

1009
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:57,280
not one been able to figure anything out

1010
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,309
and i don't know how you you would vet

1011
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,760
what i'm about to tell you because

1012
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,359
obviously when somebody tells me

1013
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,839
something or i come across something the

1014
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,440
first thing i want to do is try to vet

1015
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:11,119
it out to see if it has credibility

1016
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,160
right

1017
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,040
and i have talked to some people

1018
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,680
who um one of them i haven't even met

1019
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,680
yet because he lives in southern mexico

1020
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,720
in a region that's um you know

1021
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,359
not a safe place to visit but this guy

1022
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,960
has told me

1023
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,599
that these symbols on these artifacts

1024
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,760
actually represent

1025
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:34,720
telepathic communication

1026
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,839
and so if that's true

1027
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,480
which i'm inclined to believe that it is

1028
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,079
after some of the information that's

1029
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,280
been shared with me with you know who

1030
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,880
and actually some other people i got a

1031
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,000
funny story to tell you uh about um

1032
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,920
undercover people that

1033
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,839
have revealed themselves to me as i go

1034
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,000
along this journey but

1035
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:58,960
if indeed this is a representation

1036
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,760
of telepathic communication that would

1037
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,880
explain

1038
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,280
why these artifacts do not have the same

1039
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,560
symbols on

1040
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,599
um

1041
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,440
you know they they don't repeat because

1042
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,839
the message is a different message you

1043
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:13,359
know all the way through

1044
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,119
yeah there has been a lot of inside of

1045
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,200
our community a lot of research into

1046
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:20,880
light language

1047
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,520
and uh and and light writing you know uh

1048
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,880
and and

1049
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,160
uh it is a flow of consciousness

1050
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,560
right right yeah so people and and which

1051
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,040
is exactly what you're talking about so

1052
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,040
uh do you remember

1053
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,760
uh the movie arrival

1054
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,560
yes yeah okay so you remember they were

1055
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,560
trying to figure out the language the

1056
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,400
communication right

1057
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:48,800
and that was a flow of thought

1058
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,400
right right it wasn't uh necessarily now

1059
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,119
eventually they they cracked the code

1060
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,720
but they cracked their code to find out

1061
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,119
that it was uh it was an it was a

1062
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,280
non-repeating flow of thought thing and

1063
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,040
and telepathy

1064
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,480
if if you're communicating with somebody

1065
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,240
no i don't have telepathy and i've never

1066
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:10,640
experienced it but i understand the

1067
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,839
concept scott which is

1068
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,240
there there isn't a common language

1069
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,359
there that's not what it is it's it's an

1070
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,359
exchange of thought

1071
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,200
so you're seeing it may even be almost

1072
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
like colors or frequencies you know and

1073
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:27,920
and a vibration

1074
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,480
that you're receiving and it's not going

1075
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,920
to repeat and you don't have to

1076
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,400
understand the language it's it's a

1077
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:35,839
vibrational

1078
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,559
thing and it's a flow of energy

1079
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,480
and that would explain exactly what

1080
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:42,319
you're talking about there that

1081
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,839
it is it is just a flow of thought

1082
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,400
well and that's exactly what the guy was

1083
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,400
was explaining to me that a couple of

1084
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,160
people i've talked to were trying to

1085
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,640
explain and he told me he said i can

1086
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,280
read these things i can tell you

1087
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,200
what they say what it was that they were

1088
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,200
thinking and i haven't had a chance to

1089
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,280
follow up on that that was just last

1090
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,000
week we had that conversation via text

1091
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,680
and it's been a little bit challenging

1092
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,599
because he doesn't speak very good

1093
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,040
english and i don't speak very good

1094
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,200
spanish so it's been a little bit

1095
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,800
challenging but

1096
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,920
you know jimmy i i i wanted to just tell

1097
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,440
you a quick story and i'm not sure if

1098
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,040
i've told you stop me if i've already

1099
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,119
told this story but

1100
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,800
this guy that i told you about that i

1101
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:26,800
met well actually he contacted me it's

1102
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,559
almost exactly two years ago now and uh

1103
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,880
he went by the name holden back then but

1104
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,599
his he's changed his identity because

1105
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,599
there have been some issues

1106
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,440
um since i've been doing these

1107
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,400
interviews with people trying to out him

1108
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,000
and um

1109
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,480
it's been unfortunate for him

1110
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,640
and it's created problems for them but

1111
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,040
um i'm trying my best to just tell

1112
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,960
people look just chill

1113
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,359
and um you know if somebody wants their

1114
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,599
privacy respected you know you need to

1115
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,319
honor that and i know how curious people

1116
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,040
can get um i would like to know who this

1117
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,960
guy what his real name is and all that

1118
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,920
but you know what i i'm i'm okay not

1119
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,640
knowing but

1120
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:13,119
so so this happened about a year about a

1121
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:14,839
year ago

1122
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,520
um we had been talking and um

1123
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,440
i don't know a day or two later a fan

1124
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:22,640
sent me

1125
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,880
message on twitter and said hey scott

1126
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:28,640
did you guys ever figure out what that

1127
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,760
ufo was in that montezuma episode

1128
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,839
and i text and i texted him back he said

1129
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,280
what are you talking about

1130
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,599
and he said well that ufo that was you

1131
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,480
know

1132
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,280
in that shot during your show i said

1133
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,680
what are you talking about so he sent me

1134
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,119
a screen grab

1135
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,680
and it was that's the one that's the one

1136
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,319
where you guys are next to the water yes

1137
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,319
yes

1138
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,720
it was a wide shot and there was just a

1139
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,200
sliver of the sky in the upper left-hand

1140
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,040
side and i actually went into the

1141
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,440
production company committee films and i

1142
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,319
asked andy i said hey man check this out

1143
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,240
can we take a look at the raw video and

1144
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,559
one of the editors walked in ryan's soul

1145
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,880
and he said i got time right now let's

1146
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,200
go do it and so we went in there

1147
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,119
and he pulled it up

1148
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:17,520
and there was this thing that was

1149
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,319
bobbing up and down and rotating like

1150
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,520
this

1151
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,160
and he zoomed in about four times he had

1152
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,319
it just you know the way they shot it

1153
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,280
twice four times eight times and this

1154
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:32,240
was not a balloon this wasn't a plane it

1155
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,000
was something else

1156
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,079
and i showed it to hold and he said hey

1157
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,880
this this looks legit i'm gonna have to

1158
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,680
fill out a report on this he said do you

1159
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,839
know the guy that owns the land and i

1160
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,520
said yeah i said i interviewed him

1161
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,760
during the episode i said that was about

1162
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:49,119
eight years ago i can't remember his

1163
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,920
name

1164
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,240
um he said well can you get a hold of it

1165
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,720
i said well i'll contact andy and maria

1166
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,480
and i'll get it from them

1167
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,640
so this was a friday night i remember

1168
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,559
this because we were talking to him

1169
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,480
until two in the morning

1170
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,559
and finally i just had to tap out and

1171
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:07,040
say hold on i'm going to bed man but i

1172
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,920
will uh try to find out who that guy is

1173
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:11,599
and so i went to bed you know two

1174
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:14,800
o'clock to 2 15.

1175
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,559
i swear to god i will woke up at 6 30

1176
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,800
i checked my email

1177
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,359
there was an email from this guy

1178
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,520
i had not heard from him i had not

1179
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,160
talked to him and there was an email

1180
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,640
from him it was it was a group email it

1181
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,480
was some political thing but he copied

1182
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,880
me on it and i'm like you gotta be

1183
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,760
kidding me seriously

1184
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,400
what is that what is that jim

1185
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,800
here's the deal you when you called me

1186
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,200
that morning do you remember this yeah

1187
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,200
yeah you called me that morning and i

1188
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,040
told you then

1189
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,160
i said scott synchronicities man and you

1190
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,559
and i had that whole conversation about

1191
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,000
synchronicities

1192
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,720
and and and and you were out of your

1193
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,280
mind i'm still out of my mind

1194
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,760
i remember going dude no big deal man

1195
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,240
this this happens all the time man

1196
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,319
oh yeah well maybe in your world pal but

1197
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,200
not mine okay remember i'm the scientist

1198
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,119
i'm the lab guy this [\h__\h] doesn't happen

1199
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:15,760
to me right right right right right and

1200
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:16,640
uh

1201
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,280
company sent you the clip you sent me

1202
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,280
the clip i got it somewhere i don't have

1203
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,200
it handy i didn't know i'd need it

1204
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:33,440
right right um but it's a pretty

1205
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,960
interesting shot and and here's okay so

1206
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,480
back to this point

1207
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,599
um

1208
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:40,960
the

1209
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,000
balloon races going on

1210
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,280
and it it's got a weird little thing

1211
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:57,119
that it does do

1212
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,880
um it looks like it it semi rotates a

1213
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,119
couple of times right it's sort of it's

1214
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,200
kind of back and forth kind of rotating

1215
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,359
like this you know yeah it acted

1216
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:10,000
balloonish i i said that i said is this

1217
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,280
a balloon

1218
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,960
and uh

1219
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,800
but uh it

1220
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,480
i looked at it so many times i don't

1221
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,000
think it's a balloon i just don't know

1222
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,680
what it is

1223
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,280
yeah it's very interesting

1224
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,520
but but i guess my point wasn't so much

1225
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,040
you know the occurrence of this thing

1226
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,599
although i i thought it was so weird um

1227
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,839
i remember shooting that that episode i

1228
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,160
remember that day distinctly because

1229
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,640
what happened that day was almost as

1230
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,440
weird as what happened you know eight

1231
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,599
years later with this ufo thing but the

1232
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,440
whole point was that pond that we were

1233
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:42,400
on

1234
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,440
damming up the small stream that flowed

1235
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,520
through that little canyon there

1236
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,319
and it created this pond which

1237
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:55,119
uh intentionally or not intentionally

1238
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:58,720
drowned a a cave okay many people

1239
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,599
thought was uh led to montezuma's

1240
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,480
treasure and so i i ended up diving into

1241
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,880
that and the scene we shot where the ufo

1242
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,960
appeared was when we put an underwater

1243
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,880
drone to go you know and scout it out

1244
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,640
before it went in there but when i went

1245
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,400
in there jim it was

1246
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,640
um it was so bizarre because what

1247
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,359
happened was we had two safety divers

1248
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,559
and then we had a cameraman ryan

1249
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,040
and the bro the the two the two safety

1250
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,200
divers were brothers that were local

1251
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,119
guys that they hired to be in the water

1252
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,119
while i was down there well while we

1253
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,960
were filming all the b-roll stuff

1254
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,240
underwater

1255
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,319
uh ryan who's very

1256
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,200
thin

1257
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,520
and it was cold it was like spring water

1258
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,440
got hypothermia and i remember right

1259
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,040
before we were going to do the dive in

1260
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,520
the cave he comes up to the little

1261
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,119
paddle boat that they had they were

1262
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,720
filming from uh

1263
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,559
you know on top of the water and ryan's

1264
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,240
sitting there and he's

1265
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:54,160
you know he's just shivering i said ryan

1266
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,440
get the hell out of here man you're

1267
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:57,280
gonna you've got hypothermia you can't

1268
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,319
come down

1269
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,160
so we lost him

1270
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,160
and the brother

1271
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,720
uh one of the brothers had left the

1272
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,680
water

1273
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,240
and took all of his his stuff off and he

1274
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,160
was sitting in the car and we were

1275
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,760
running out of daylight we couldn't wait

1276
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,920
for him to come so we were down to one

1277
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,799
guy

1278
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:17,280
and he had to run the camera so we had

1279
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,480
no safety divers it was just he and i

1280
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,640
so we go down into this cave and it's

1281
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,119
not that deep it's about 40 feet down

1282
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,920
but it was a negative incline so i'm

1283
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,480
diving along this cliff that's going

1284
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,960
down you know at a negative slope and

1285
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:35,200
then the cave was down at the bottom

1286
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,799
and i get down there

1287
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,040
and it's only about four feet high i'm

1288
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,559
six feet tall

1289
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,799
and so i couldn't really swim because it

1290
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,359
was tight so i got on my knees and i'm

1291
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,599
kind of crawling well there's dirt there

1292
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,520
so it's kicking up dirt

1293
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,000
and it was kind of a cluster and so

1294
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,079
we're going in and this this one of the

1295
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,000
brothers he took the camera and i could

1296
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,440
see the lights behind me and he's

1297
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,799
following me in

1298
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,520
and i went in probably i know

1299
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,079
20 feet or so which doesn't seem very

1300
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,799
far but underwater in a cave it seems

1301
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,799
like a mile right

1302
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,960
and i kept looking up right above my

1303
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:12,880
head like right here was the roof of

1304
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,359
this tunnel and i was watching my

1305
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,599
bubbles and they were flowing back out

1306
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:20,240
to the entrance so i knew how to get out

1307
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,200
right

1308
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,160
so i get in there at about 20 feet and i

1309
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,200
stopped and i looked up and my bubbles

1310
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:29,200
were just sitting there they weren't

1311
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,880
going out anymore

1312
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,200
and i looked into the cave and it was

1313
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,799
dark and it was actually looking like it

1314
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,280
was opening up to something right

1315
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,240
and just for a second i'm like

1316
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,440
no gunner

1317
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,200
you're not going

1318
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,079
and i turned around and i just i said

1319
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,760
out so he backed out and we got out but

1320
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,640
um

1321
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:51,839
that's what

1322
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:56,160
how people get killed yeah yeah i would

1323
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,839
never i i've watched the uh the episode

1324
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:01,520
i don't know how you do it

1325
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:02,319
um

1326
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,680
now and and uh we're heading towards a

1327
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,160
break we got about two minutes okay or a

1328
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,520
little bit less

1329
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,480
um i mentioned uh you know talking about

1330
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:15,440
lost history you know we're all taught

1331
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,559
you know 1492 right that's it we're

1332
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,160
raised on that

1333
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,119
and the tide is definitely starting to

1334
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,880
shift and i think that

1335
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,599
uh because of your efforts and and

1336
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,440
others right

1337
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,160
yeah that that keep driving this home

1338
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,720
that uh columbus wasn't the first

1339
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:37,599
uh history is starting to get rewritten

1340
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,079
now we have done many shows on the

1341
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,400
cremona document and and other mad

1342
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,280
adventures of of scott walter when we

1343
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,359
come back after the break

1344
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:52,720
uh i want to go pretty deeply into what

1345
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,799
the cremona document is it's history

1346
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,480
and because that's going to be a big

1347
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,880
chunk of the show moving forward and

1348
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:02,559
it's very important that everybody

1349
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:05,520
understands there it is and this is the

1350
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,839
other thing about video tonight scott

1351
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:09,440
you get to just

1352
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:13,280
yeah reveal and and okay i've got 30

1353
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,240
seconds

1354
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:15,520
get up

1355
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,559
and grab that sword i want to see that

1356
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,839
sword

1357
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,200
which one

1358
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:23,119
the one that's hanging that one right

1359
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,270
okay bring it up to the camera

1360
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,680
what is that

1361
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,559
this is a sword that is used in masonic

1362
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:39,829
i i'm actually a member of three

1363
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,799
different templar orders some masonic

1364
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:44,559
some not

1365
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:47,200
and a sword is

1366
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:50,000
a very important article that is used in

1367
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,119
ritual

1368
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,359
of course most people believe

1369
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,760
uh well most people know that it was

1370
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,799
used by the templars and and many many

1371
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,160
other groups

1372
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,280
uh saracens um

1373
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,440
can you open it as a weapon but it is

1374
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,839
also a very important symbol

1375
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:09,839
can you hold the hilt up to the camera

1376
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:15,109
see how's that

1377
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:16,400
wow

1378
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,200
look at that all right oh man yeah

1379
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:22,880
all right let's take our break right

1380
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,280
here our guest tonight the one and only

1381
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,400
scott walter i am your host jimmy church

1382
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,079
we'll be right back after this short

1383
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,349
this is fade to black i'm your host

1384
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:36,880
jimmy church tonight scott walter is

1385
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,160
here it's templars and ufos

1386
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:42,000
all night long we'll be right back after

1387
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:43,440
this short break

1388
00:59:47,240 --> 01:00:05,109
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1389
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:07,349
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1390
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,810
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always wanted

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damn it

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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listen i know and you know that you've

1416
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always wanted your first crystal skull

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or maybe you're a collector just like me

1418
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but you just don't know where to go to

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find the real thing

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einstein in his sacred lodge and are

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carved from the finest gemstone and

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materials imprinting is the process of

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receiving the ancient wisdom from the

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1431
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the ancient crystal skull to see

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carolyn's current collection of crystal

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1440
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visit einstein the crystalskull.com

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hi racehobbes with the x obviously if

1442
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you're listening to this you have an

1443
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:20,880
interest in unexplained phenomena like

1444
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,240
ghosts bigfoot and ufos and by now you

1445
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:26,559
know that we have our own x-blog the

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next newsletter and the x magazine

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quarterly but most of you don't know

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that we have started our very own

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1453
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,319
include whitley strieber micah hanks

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01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:46,880
margie k and preston dennett lisa martin

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01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:49,280
and wayne lawrence lee spiegel debbie

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01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:52,559
zagelmeyer dan terry kate bravosky and

1457
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ray hernandez there will also be a live

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1459
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riverside iowa paranormal team so come

1460
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hang out with us in the safety of home

1461
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:05,280
as we set out to explain the unexplained

1462
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1467
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hi this

1468
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,069
listening to my is

1469
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,630
friend jimmy church fade to black

1470
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1473
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hey i'm adrian grenier and i'm ari gold

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we're the honey brothers

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and you're listening to jimmy church the

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this is jimmy churchill fade to black

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not by just going to our membership

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01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:14,240
to fade to black with jimmy church who

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01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:16,559
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01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:22,079
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1488
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,680
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1489
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report and you're listening to jimmy

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01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:28,960
church on fade to black

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01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:43,750
[Music]

1492
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:50,240
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

1493
01:04:52,829 --> 01:04:51,599
your host jimmy church tonight scott

1494
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:52,839
walters with

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01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:56,480
us and tonight it's templars and ufos

1496
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:02,789
what that allows

1497
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,400
is uh scott and i to to talk about

1498
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:08,880
whatever we want to talk about

1499
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:09,680
and

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01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,760
in any direction that we want but uh

1501
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:15,680
scott right before the break

1502
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:18,559
uh the cremona document and

1503
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:22,240
this goes back uh for you and i uh we

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01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:23,200
did

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01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:24,240
uh

1506
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,640
coast about this

1507
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:30,079
when uh

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01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:30,960
the

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01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,319
uh some some new uh we had breaking news

1510
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,480
on the cremona document we've done a few

1511
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:38,799
shows here on fade to black about it

1512
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,720
um tonight is the first time we can do

1513
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:41,920
this together

1514
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:45,760
and so let's go with a brief history

1515
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:49,119
of what the remote document is what is

1516
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,119
it the cremona document is a compilation

1517
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:55,839
of documents maps

1518
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:01,750
and various papers

1519
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,680
that actually span

1520
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several centuries

1521
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:11,280
and what we what we now know is that in

1522
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:13,599
1858

1523
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:16,640
there was a cartographer

1524
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,079
who was tasked with taking all this

1525
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:22,079
material that had been assembled over

1526
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,440
the centuries

1527
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,319
for the knights templar order

1528
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:28,720
and he was to compile it

1529
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:30,079
into

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um

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01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:32,400
one

1532
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:35,680
full set now when i say set

1533
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,720
one part is the narratives there are

1534
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,119
letters uh we've got some of these

1535
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:43,039
letters that

1536
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,240
um

1537
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,520
some of them are original letters

1538
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,839
that are old

1539
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,520
sealed with wax

1540
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,200
um

1541
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,599
got another letter here that's got a map

1542
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,599
on the back i can't show it too much i

1543
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,520
know people can do screen grabs and i

1544
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,880
don't want that

1545
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,559
but um

1546
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:04,799
the the bulk of the narrative is written

1547
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:07,280
in uh theban text

1548
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,039
the map on the back

1549
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,440
but the whole story really came full

1550
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,440
circle about a year ago

1551
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,520
when um

1552
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,160
a puzzle box was delivered to

1553
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,400
the guy that we're working on this story

1554
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:22,480
with his name is donald ru he lives in

1555
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,680
new york

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and

1557
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:27,520
don has worked for a

1558
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,559
let's see

1559
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,960
private security company is what he

1560
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,640
wants me to say

1561
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working for our government working for

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our military um

1563
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:40,319
starting in 1961 and his best friend

1564
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,440
bill jackson started 1962 after he

1565
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served in the korean war

1566
01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:47,440
and they um

1567
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:49,799
they were involved in this thing from

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01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,440
1968 all the way up to the present day

1569
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,200
i'm going to be leaving on a trip to go

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to new york tomorrow and we're going to

1571
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,319
be meeting with don because he may have

1572
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,160
some more material

1573
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:04,319
it's funny today i got an email from him

1574
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,839
because he and i are writing a book

1575
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,400
together about this whole story

1576
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,559
and what i've told him is i said look

1577
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,520
don you are the last man standing

1578
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,319
all your colleagues with the agency

1579
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,480
the private security company

1580
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,480
have passed on

1581
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,480
um the guy that started the company dan

1582
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,640
spartan died last year

1583
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,359
and he was the one that sent this box

1584
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,080
and it was the holy grail of boxes that

1585
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:32,480
don has received now let me just back up

1586
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,359
a little bit and tell you that 1968

1587
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:37,120
these guys were

1588
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swimming in the hudson river off

1589
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,199
bannerman island and they were looking

1590
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,279
for munitions in the water that had been

1591
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,920
blown into the water when the island or

1592
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,480
the munitions cache that francis

1593
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:50,640
batterman was a was an arms dealer from

1594
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the civil war and then his son delta

1595
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,239
arms into world war one but there was an

1596
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,000
explosion on the island it blew all the

1597
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,080
stuff into the water and these guys were

1598
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:02,239
salvaging it going into the bronx

1599
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,159
selling it to make money

1600
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,759
well while they were doing that don

1601
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,679
found a couple of decorative bulbs that

1602
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,480
had been blown onto the eastern shore

1603
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,719
uh of the river and he gave them to his

1604
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,640
friend bill whose wife was a gardener

1605
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,080
thinking maybe she could use these

1606
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,480
things a year later he discovered that

1607
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:20,480
one of the boxes was hollow

1608
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:23,920
and inside he found a brass device

1609
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,960
with

1610
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,000
theben's script all over it and this led

1611
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,000
him on a hunt

1612
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,759
to try to figure out what the hell did

1613
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,480
he find there was also a clay tube

1614
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,799
sealed with beeswax with two parchments

1615
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,120
in it that have since been decoded they

1616
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,040
were also written in theben which is the

1617
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,120
coated alphabet

1618
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,199
used by the templars

1619
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:47,040
he ended up buying

1620
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,040
the cremona document in italy in 1971

1621
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,199
and the first thing he did with don was

1622
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,280
say hey don

1623
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,440
i want to go up to newfoundland to go

1624
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,920
scuba diving now

1625
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:02,320
don never married never had a family he

1626
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:05,679
doesn't have any family left to this day

1627
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,000
and he was always available besides this

1628
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:10,400
was his best friend and the best part is

1629
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:11,920
bill was going to pay

1630
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:14,239
so they went up there and what they were

1631
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,600
looking for

1632
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:18,080
was one of six ships

1633
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,750
had been offloaded and then towed back

1634
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,440
out and scuttled

1635
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:27,760
these ships date back to the 12th

1636
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:28,880
century

1637
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,040
when there was a mission by the templars

1638
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,280
led by a templar knight named sir ralph

1639
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,760
de suddenly whose mission was to come

1640
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:39,760
over to north america

1641
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:42,640
to find scrolls that had been hidden

1642
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:45,679
here sometime before the 10th century we

1643
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,400
don't know when they were hidden

1644
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,800
in the catskill mountains

1645
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:52,159
what are now called the catskill

1646
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:53,360
mountains

1647
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,159
so

1648
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,880
once they they found that ship

1649
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,520
they found that damn ship

1650
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,960
now

1651
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,880
in this book one of the things that i

1652
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,719
had been pressing don to do and he has

1653
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,760
done a fantastic job is i said i said

1654
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,159
don look

1655
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,000
you need to write about these

1656
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,560
experiences that you have okay i want

1657
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,120
you to cut a vein i want you to tell me

1658
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,600
what you think what your feelings were

1659
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:21,520
tell us about that whole experience i

1660
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,159
mean this guy found he and his friend a

1661
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,040
12th century templar ship

1662
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:29,040
so anyway when i asked him to write this

1663
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,800
narrative about a month ago it's almost

1664
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,159
a month ago

1665
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,120
um you know he said you know scott

1666
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:36,880
i think i wrote some notes about that

1667
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:38,880
trip and i said well you better find

1668
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,880
them right the next day he called me

1669
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,360
said i found the notes i made copies of

1670
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,760
them and they're in the mail to you he

1671
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,760
doesn't email anything he's an old

1672
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:51,920
school guy it's always got to go through

1673
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,400
the mail he doesn't trust email he's an

1674
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:55,920
old spy okay

1675
01:12:03,590 --> 01:11:59,199
so anyway when this thing showed up

1676
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,600
22 pages of detailed notes sketches he's

1677
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,400
got the mask the brass bar the rock with

1678
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,040
the symbols carved on it he's got

1679
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,040
drawings of the parts of the keel that

1680
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,960
they brought up they found this damn

1681
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:13,920
ship

1682
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,480
and then they gave it according to them

1683
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,480
uh to the canadian officials up there

1684
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,800
which i highly doubt they either didn't

1685
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:23,040
know what they had but if they do

1686
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,239
if they didn't know what they have

1687
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:25,840
they're not going to tell us about it

1688
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,239
but in any case a lot of that ship is

1689
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:29,920
still there we're going up this summer

1690
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:32,640
to find that sucker well

1691
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:34,880
well okay so okay that's that's that's

1692
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,040
okay well i'll stop right here go ahead

1693
01:12:42,430 --> 01:12:39,120
just to encapsulate

1694
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:42,440
what you have just suggested

1695
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:46,080
1492's columbus right that that date is

1696
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,960
there

1697
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,679
now we are talking about 12th century

1698
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:51,920
and 10th century so

1699
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:54,080
we were pushing back

1700
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:56,520
uh two three four

1701
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,239
500 years before columbus

1702
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,880
this is uh the year this ship went down

1703
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,880
was 11.78

1704
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:07,440
right so do the math that's what three

1705
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,400
400 years more than 400 years yeah it's

1706
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:13,360
400 years for 400 years so

1707
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:16,840
yeah well let's put it this way um

1708
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:20,440
i don't this this notebook is dated in

1709
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,600
1961 he even in his write-up he told me

1710
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,000
that his dad this was given to him as a

1711
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,800
gift because he used to do sales uh with

1712
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,440
with uh with japanese dealers that would

1713
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,800
come over and they gave him this

1714
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,880
notebook i mean the details incredible

1715
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,960
but let me just continue so this

1716
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,360
convinced his buddy bill jackson that

1717
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,600
the story was true keep in mind the

1718
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,280
whole time don didn't know what the hell

1719
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:45,920
was going on because bill never told him

1720
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,880
right so so then they spent the next six

1721
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:50,320
years

1722
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,360
hiking the catskills and don in his

1723
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,960
narrative that he wrote about this part

1724
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:57,199
of the story was happy to do it because

1725
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,679
he was planning to do a summer long hike

1726
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,440
along the appalachian trail which he

1727
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,360
eventually did and this was going to get

1728
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:07,440
him in shape for doing that and in

1729
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,350
they found

1730
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,920
the tomb of altamara she was the

1731
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:18,239
navigator of the suddenly ship who was

1732
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,159
killed while she was over here and

1733
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:22,719
buried inside of a small cave her body

1734
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,760
was burned it was put inside of an urn

1735
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,080
and along with other artifacts in this

1736
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,719
cave and they found that too

1737
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,000
and there are

1738
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:34,320
pictures and everything of all of this

1739
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,080
now uh

1740
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:39,360
let's stay with her for a second yeah

1741
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,840
when they discovered the cave um it uh i

1742
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,679
want to talk about her urn and what was

1743
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,960
inside of the cave and and how it was

1744
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:50,960
i'm going to use the word stacked right

1745
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:53,600
can i say stacked is that the right word

1746
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:54,320
yeah

1747
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,640
how was the

1748
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:01,920
uh outside of the cave what how did they

1749
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,480
find it and and was it hidden

1750
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,560
yes yes it was well the way that they

1751
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,320
found it and i don't have the materials

1752
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,120
here but they were very careful

1753
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,239
drawings uh with directions and and

1754
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,560
measurements they took in the sky

1755
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,640
there's also carvings

1756
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,280
on the mountain that are still there

1757
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,000
that they used as directional indicators

1758
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,040
there's also a rock called table rock

1759
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,400
and that is

1760
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,000
it's still there i go there i've been

1761
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,640
there many times and it's a big tall

1762
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:34,719
pedestal-shaped rock that's flat on the

1763
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,080
top and they use that for sighting and

1764
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,880
so they basically said at 30 degrees

1765
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:43,199
between these two symbols you go this

1766
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:45,600
many feet that's where the cave is

1767
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:47,600
and it's there

1768
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:50,400
and so they remove what is in front of

1769
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,000
the cave and they go inside you've read

1770
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:56,320
this story you just gave yourself away

1771
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,600
because i didn't tell you about

1772
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,280
something in front of the cave you know

1773
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:01,520
this story don't you i think we talked

1774
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,750
memory but um but here's the deal

1775
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:09,120
um

1776
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:10,560
they

1777
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,600
this this was undisturbed is my point

1778
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:15,040
well actually

1779
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,920
no

1780
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,840
it looks like there were other people

1781
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,840
that had been there in the historical

1782
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:20,960
past

1783
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,560
prior to those guys in 77 and actually

1784
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,640
we know that because one of the letters

1785
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:27,920
i showed you

1786
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,400
this one which actually is published in

1787
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,719
my book so i can show this

1788
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:35,120
written by lionel dewaldern

1789
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:39,280
yep and uh it's dated 1656.

1790
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,239
now

1791
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,560
this letter

1792
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:43,840
talks about

1793
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:46,640
recovering the rest of the scrolls

1794
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:50,640
because in 1178 79 the subtly returned

1795
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,199
to europe in 1180

1796
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,840
he did not recover all of the scrolls

1797
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,080
the uh priestess of the temple of the

1798
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,120
goddess as it's called in the narrative

1799
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,120
um he had to go through a three-day

1800
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:05,440
ritual to earn the right

1801
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,600
to collect the scrolls that he came over

1802
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,880
here to get

1803
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:11,040
and she only let him take some of the

1804
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:12,159
scrolls

1805
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:13,040
oh

1806
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,800
okay suggesting is in a modern sense

1807
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:21,040
they were the first people oh right

1808
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:23,120
right yes absolutely i'm not talking

1809
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,719
about deep history no we're not going

1810
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,320
there no okay okay

1811
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:28,800
so back to my point right

1812
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:31,600
they must have lost their minds

1813
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,239
because they went in and as stuff was

1814
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,560
there that has been untouched for

1815
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:39,920
centuries

1816
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:43,679
and uh can you describe uh

1817
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,199
how it was displayed i should say well

1818
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,840
the cave is the cave is really small i

1819
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:51,360
mean i've been up there

1820
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:53,360
um i don't know if you can see this but

1821
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,400
in our

1822
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,480
downstairs fireplace

1823
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,320
yes it's not a hell of a lot bigger than

1824
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,760
that i mean it's a little taller than

1825
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,880
that

1826
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:02,000
it's maybe

1827
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:03,840
four and a half feet tall but it's only

1828
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,800
about four feet wide but it goes back

1829
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:08,400
about eight feet

1830
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,080
and the uh the urn you know was you know

1831
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:15,120
about this big there was a a big flat

1832
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:17,600
rock that sort of you know was the floor

1833
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,320
of the cave and it had carvings on it

1834
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:22,719
and uh there were there was a navigation

1835
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:26,239
device in there there were some other uh

1836
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:27,760
stones uh

1837
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:30,800
rough precious stones and inside some

1838
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,679
metal brass framing

1839
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:35,840
seriously i'm not making this up was a

1840
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,760
rough 10 carat diamond

1841
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:41,520
the that diamond

1842
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:44,320
has its own history that we haven't even

1843
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,520
talked about

1844
01:18:49,229 --> 01:18:47,520
there were eight people that owned that

1845
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:49,239
diamond from

1846
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:54,560
1977 to 1983 or 1984

1847
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,280
none of them owned that stone for longer

1848
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,840
than one year

1849
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:02,239
within one year of owning it

1850
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:05,199
all eight of them were dead

1851
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,800
all eight

1852
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,280
who's got who's got the diamond today i

1853
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,120
don't know and i don't want to go near

1854
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,880
that damn thing i don't want to know

1855
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:14,159
either um

1856
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:17,760
so but they they see this um

1857
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:18,960
uh

1858
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:22,400
centuries

1859
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,080
and what goes through rue's mind i mean

1860
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,000
i can't imagine

1861
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,400
we all love a good treasure hunt but

1862
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,239
it's the thing when something actually

1863
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,040
happens right well yeah you know i i

1864
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,280
think you know it's one of those things

1865
01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:39,679
jim think about this i mean

1866
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:41,360
we've all been through some amazing

1867
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:44,159
experiences in our life right and and

1868
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,880
and

1869
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:46,560
you know like imagine if you were there

1870
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,600
when when jfk got shot or some major

1871
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,440
historical event you were right in the

1872
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,600
middle of it and you know it's years

1873
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:55,520
later down the road you're talking about

1874
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:57,920
it well yeah that was a sad day and then

1875
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,080
other people like holy [\h__\h] i mean you

1876
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,880
were there you saw this you ex oh my god

1877
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,280
that's i mean how come you're not more

1878
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,080
you know like lit up about this well

1879
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:10,480
i was there you know and you i think you

1880
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,920
get what i'm saying

1881
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:14,320
this is kind of the way don is he's sort

1882
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:17,199
of aw shucks about it but i will say i

1883
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,199
have seen him get excited a couple of

1884
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,920
times when things have happened but he's

1885
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,679
i mean if you knew some of the stuff

1886
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,280
that he has done

1887
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,360
and i have to tell you while i well i've

1888
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:29,840
got a second gem

1889
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:34,000
he has shared with me some of their

1890
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,400
company reports

1891
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,560
and this guy

1892
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,719
is an american hero some of the stuff

1893
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,320
that he has done

1894
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,960
for um not just our country but really

1895
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:47,040
for the world to get rid of some really

1896
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,639
bad people

1897
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:50,880
and he will never talk about it

1898
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:52,719
um

1899
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,360
what he's done he can't talk about it

1900
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,120
and i can't really talk about it other

1901
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,600
than to say i've read those reports he

1902
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,600
is an absolute hero and somebody who

1903
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,159
will never be publicly recognized

1904
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:10,960
um but i'm going to say a lot after he's

1905
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:13,760
you know after he passes if if i outlive

1906
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:17,280
him because this guy deserves it and so

1907
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:19,040
there's a humbleness about him and

1908
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:22,080
there's also um a stoicness about him

1909
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,840
where he's just

1910
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,040
you know

1911
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,679
nothing phases him but but this thing

1912
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,360
has been gnawing at him because after

1913
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,679
they found that right there really

1914
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,639
wasn't anything else to go find so bill

1915
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,480
decided that he wanted to write a book

1916
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:39,040
about this story he interacted with some

1917
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,199
academics they were complete [\h__\h]

1918
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,120
just like the experience that i've had

1919
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,120
let me preface this by saying not all

1920
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,600
academics are [\h__\h] but a lot of them

1921
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,120
that i've dealt with calling them

1922
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,360
[\h__\h] as being nice okay

1923
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,360
yeah and so and so bill had that

1924
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:55,760
experience he got frustrated he said

1925
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,320
screw it i'm going to write a novel

1926
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,239
so he started working on the novel now

1927
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:02,880
this was getting into the late 1980s

1928
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:05,920
early 1990s and he realized that he had

1929
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,320
arterial sclerosis he was a medical

1930
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:11,440
doctor by the way and he also had

1931
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,920
early parkinson's and he knew he wasn't

1932
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,440
going to live long

1933
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,679
so he decided he scrapped that whole

1934
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,960
thing

1935
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,440
and he

1936
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,440
decided that he was going to sell the

1937
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,960
document

1938
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:27,120
now when we get done talking about it

1939
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,719
and i have something that i want to read

1940
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,560
to you that i've never read to anybody

1941
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,719
else before

1942
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,800
that will give you context as to what

1943
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,120
what a lot of this is all about

1944
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,800
but he decided he was going to sell it

1945
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,120
to the vatican

1946
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,280
and of course when i first learned about

1947
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:45,920
this i nearly lost my you know what i'm

1948
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,159
like what are you doing these are the

1949
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,920
last people that you want to give this

1950
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:51,280
to well

1951
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:54,560
what we didn't know until years later

1952
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:01,910
some of the best parts

1953
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:03,990
and disseminated them

1954
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:07,360
to his colleagues in the agencies his

1955
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,560
brothers that he had um

1956
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,719
completed missions on that literally

1957
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,320
were life and death some of the guys

1958
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,600
didn't make it

1959
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,120
he trusted them

1960
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,040
and he gave them strict instructions

1961
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,040
that upon their deaths

1962
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,280
that these items

1963
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,520
were to be bequeathed

1964
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,440
to don rue

1965
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,760
so over the last

1966
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,800
well

1967
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,600
five years

1968
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,080
four of these guys have died

1969
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,360
including dan spartan last year and so

1970
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,000
we have a routine now when he gets a

1971
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,159
letter he gets a notification that's

1972
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,400
there's a package being delivered

1973
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,000
don't open it don

1974
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,880
don't open it until i get out there

1975
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,719
guess what's going to happen when i go

1976
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,760
out there

1977
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,679
he's got another box

1978
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:57,280
and we're going to open that in the

1979
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:58,639
coming days

1980
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,280
now this is how it's been this is how

1981
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,199
this stuff has come to us

1982
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,960
and it was about two years ago that

1983
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,960
another box came or two and a half years

1984
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:08,320
ago

1985
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:10,000
and in there was a letter from bill

1986
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,840
jackson that was written in 1994

1987
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,400
explaining to one of the colleagues

1988
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:18,480
a guy named john lennon who lived he

1989
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,440
worked for scotland yard and and retired

1990
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,320
in the uk in london and he died a couple

1991
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:25,679
of years ago

1992
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:28,320
and in that letter he says i leave this

1993
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:30,560
stuff to my best friend

1994
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,199
the only guy who took my archaeology

1995
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,280
research seriously

1996
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,440
for him to follow up on whatever might

1997
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:39,760
be left out there

1998
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,120
so this is what we've inherited

1999
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:44,960
there have been other people who have

2000
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,600
tried to capitalize on this one of those

2001
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,280
people is xena helper and i know you

2002
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,440
know that name the other one is the oak

2003
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,080
island boys uh they tried to get this

2004
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,960
stuff from don and don said no

2005
01:25:02,709 --> 01:24:59,280
he said i'm going to work with scott

2006
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,719
and um so we're working together

2007
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:04,800
for four and a half years ago i sat him

2008
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,880
down and i said dude you need to write a

2009
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:08,880
book he said i don't know how to write a

2010
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,440
book i said i'll help you i wrote an

2011
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:13,600
outline form and i said just follow the

2012
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:16,080
outline the book will write itself and

2013
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:17,600
he did it

2014
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,360
that book is amazing it's not edited

2015
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:24,159
it's kind of a challenging read

2016
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:26,000
from the organization standpoint the

2017
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,360
stories are great

2018
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,360
but now he and i are writing a book

2019
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,440
together right now

2020
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,360
based on

2021
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,000
four more packages that showed up since

2022
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:38,159
that book was written so that's where we

2023
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,239
are now so whenever you want me to read

2024
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:42,239
this passage i'm going to read something

2025
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,120
to you

2026
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,800
that will put this whole thing into

2027
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:45,920
context

2028
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,840
i've never read it i've never shown it

2029
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:50,880
to anyone else i've only had it for

2030
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,159
several months but it'll it's amazing

2031
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:56,400
okay and we'll do that after the break

2032
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,280
um

2033
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:59,199
i want to circle back

2034
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,000
uh because you mentioned that uh jackson

2035
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:04,880
wanted to sell the document back to

2036
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:07,920
the vatican and i say back to because

2037
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,000
the original purchase was in italy yes

2038
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:14,239
okay now after the vatican though it

2039
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,920
wasn't from the vatican

2040
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,159
no it was from a prominent italian

2041
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:20,880
family by the name of benvenuto right

2042
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:23,440
they they were thinking of donating it

2043
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,239
to the vatican and bill jackson got to

2044
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,520
them before

2045
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,199
before they could do that

2046
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,440
and actually what he did was he didn't

2047
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,840
buy the document right away he got a

2048
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:35,600
couple of pages that talked about the

2049
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:38,000
shipwreck and then he went up they found

2050
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,520
the ship and then he came back and he

2051
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:41,040
bought the rest of it that's what

2052
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,400
happened

2053
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:44,400
and uh wouldn't it

2054
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,920
have been a strange thing to have that

2055
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:48,400
go full circle right from italy to the

2056
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,400
united states and then back to italy

2057
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,639
where it would have been disappeared

2058
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,480
well you know here's the here's the

2059
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,120
irony and i'll i'll end this this

2060
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,199
segment with this

2061
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:03,679
so one of the pages that

2062
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:06,800
don was bequeathed from bill

2063
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:10,239
came to him in late 2017 and it's this

2064
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,600
thieben page

2065
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,920
now what you can't see

2066
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,000
is that at the very top

2067
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,800
is two latin words

2068
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:21,280
and these latin words turn out are the

2069
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:24,400
cipher phrase that you need to decode

2070
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:26,000
the theban

2071
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,440
without that

2072
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:29,920
the document is worthless

2073
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,719
so guess what they bought a worthless

2074
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,960
document because they can't read it

2075
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:36,880
without the cipher phrase

2076
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:41,120
i love this guy bill i love him

2077
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:44,000
let's uh let's take our break it's this

2078
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,199
is one of uh uh the story itself uh when

2079
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,199
we go back to

2080
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,120
uh its origins we're talking about the

2081
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,080
hudson river and some guys just hanging

2082
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:58,320
out doing their thing

2083
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,159
that has uh turned into this journey

2084
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,080
with so many individuals

2085
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,199
you get brought in it's a document chase

2086
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:09,520
it's a treasure hunt it's caves it's

2087
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:12,880
maps it's it's ciphers it's everything

2088
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:15,520
that you can imagine and all of it

2089
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,560
seriously just rewrites history and and

2090
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:20,639
i've said this to you before scott it

2091
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,159
all started

2092
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:24,480
at the hudson river just

2093
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,360
just

2094
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,800
doing stuff

2095
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:28,960
and then the next thing you know your sh

2096
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,560
your your shipwreck hunting

2097
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,560
i mean it's absolutely incredible it's

2098
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:36,400
it's it's you can't make it up can you

2099
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,679
no you can't

2100
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,520
let's take our break right here our

2101
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:41,520
guest tonight the one and only scott

2102
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,400
walter

2103
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:44,719
hey scott

2104
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:46,719
hold your ring up hold your ring up let

2105
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:52,310
scott told me mine's in the mail we'll

2106
01:28:59,640 --> 01:28:54,000
be right back

2107
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:10,790
[Music]

2108
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:13,920
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2109
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,130
you're listening to fade to black

2110
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:18,719
[Applause]

2111
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,880
you're listening to jimmy church and

2112
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:22,400
fade to black

2113
01:29:27,550 --> 01:29:37,090
[Applause]

2114
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:40,870
[Music]

2115
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:42,709
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

2116
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,199
and this year june 18 2022

2117
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:49,920
the disclosure fest foundation presents

2118
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2141
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2142
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2147
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supply i do disruptions in the food

2149
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2150
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2152
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2183
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:41,920
are listening to fate to black with

2184
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hi i'm reece evans you're listening to

2185
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:52,159
jimmy church this is revolution the

2186
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2189
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,840
all right welcome back fade to black i

2190
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:45,840
am your host jimmy church tonight scott

2191
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:48,880
walter is with us

2192
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:53,440
templars and ufos and uh

2193
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:55,280
let's bring uh

2194
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:56,960
scott back in here

2195
01:34:01,110 --> 01:34:00,000
and and uh oh okay scott's already got

2196
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,120
see

2197
01:34:06,550 --> 01:34:04,080
everybody saw i i just brought this up

2198
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,560
uh an empty chair

2199
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,880
oh i'm sorry no no

2200
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,560
no it's really funny it's just like

2201
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:12,719
that's what i'm dealing with i went to

2202
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:14,880
get a drink

2203
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,400
we got one hour to go right yeah i know

2204
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,840
scott we're going to go late tonight

2205
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,840
you've got it you're late tonight

2206
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:23,360
yeah we're you're traveling in the

2207
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:26,800
morning so no i'm not no i have um

2208
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:29,360
i have a you know i had shoulder surgery

2209
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:31,600
so i'm going for my doctor's appointment

2210
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:34,159
at 11 30 so i can sleep in i'll go all

2211
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:36,320
night if you want man yeah let's go uh

2212
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:38,239
three four hours why not

2213
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:41,360
um it wouldn't be the first time

2214
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:43,840
so um

2215
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:47,600
jumping uh back into this scott uh

2216
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:48,560
where

2217
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,239
ultimately

2218
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:52,560
uh with the cremona document and

2219
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:55,920
everything that you have acquired

2220
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:56,800
uh

2221
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:59,920
ultimately where's this is this going to

2222
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:01,760
lead do you see

2223
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:06,080
um academia or some

2224
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:09,360
some verification of the facts uh

2225
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,679
coming out and saying okay

2226
01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:14,159
this is this is something that we need

2227
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:16,639
to seriously consider and look into

2228
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,440
well

2229
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,360
the answer to that is yes eventually

2230
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,760
that will happen um

2231
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:23,520
and i'll be honest with you we're

2232
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:26,080
holding on to these documents um

2233
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:28,239
pretty tightly right now uh because

2234
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,520
we're not ready

2235
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,920
to share them with people because

2236
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,040
um

2237
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,440
one of the things that that we have here

2238
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:37,440
now let's just go forward

2239
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:39,840
to this last box that we got from dan

2240
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,400
spartan one of the things that was in

2241
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:43,840
the box

2242
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:46,560
was something we call map a

2243
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,360
now as you as you go back

2244
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:51,440
and you look at

2245
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:58,390
early on there were four maps that were

2246
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,360
part of this collection of material not

2247
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:03,600
the originals they were in photographs

2248
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:06,480
that bill jackson had taken

2249
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,320
and the negatives don acquired and then

2250
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,239
had developed and here were pictures of

2251
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:14,400
these of these maps that nobody knew

2252
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:16,960
anything about before one of those maps

2253
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:18,880
has been used on the oak island show for

2254
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:21,199
about eight years that's what we call

2255
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:23,520
the nova scotia map that's map number

2256
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,480
one

2257
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,320
and the reason why we call it why it's

2258
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:28,560
number one is because that was the first

2259
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:32,800
trip that was taken in 1178. there are

2260
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,040
seven or six other maps a total of seven

2261
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:39,360
that we now have some of those maps have

2262
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:40,159
come

2263
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,119
over the last few years

2264
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,280
but map 8

2265
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:46,800
map 8

2266
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:50,320
is the holy grail of all treasure maps

2267
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:54,800
it contains 13 parts

2268
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,600
the parts are islands

2269
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:59,040
land masses

2270
01:37:02,709 --> 01:37:01,280
where treasure was buried by the knights

2271
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,719
templar

2272
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:04,639
over here

2273
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,159
including the oak island treasure

2274
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,070
in any case this particular map

2275
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:16,480
was a compilation i said this in the

2276
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:17,920
very beginning

2277
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:20,800
uh in 1858

2278
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:23,679
uh a cartographer was tasked with

2279
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,639
assembling all this material and making

2280
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:28,000
map eight

2281
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,239
and that map is sitting right over there

2282
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,159
i can't really show it to you

2283
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,360
um but what i would like to do is there

2284
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,199
are some things that are on the back of

2285
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:40,239
this map it was originally on animal

2286
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:41,520
skin

2287
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:43,600
dan spartan had it

2288
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:46,639
dan spartan was bill's boss and don's

2289
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:49,199
boss and they were all very close

2290
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:50,480
friends

2291
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:54,400
i never met dan spartan but

2292
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,560
i have corresponded with him the

2293
01:38:02,229 --> 01:37:58,719
correspondence has pretty much all been

2294
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,239
one way him sending letters to me and me

2295
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:05,119
verbally transmitting information to don

2296
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:06,639
and then it goes through what they call

2297
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:09,920
the network to get to dan spartan who

2298
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,480
doesn't live in this country anymore

2299
01:38:16,250 --> 01:38:14,880
anyway in one of those letters

2300
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:16,260
he threatened my life

2301
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:18,239
[Music]

2302
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,159
he did it in a very clever way i

2303
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,239
actually took it as a compliment

2304
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:23,920
and basically what he was saying is

2305
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,239
don't you screw with my friend

2306
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:28,960
like um another person did

2307
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:32,000
um who was a female that don was working

2308
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:33,440
with

2309
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,440
several years ago he really threatened

2310
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,440
my life in a very clever way and someday

2311
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:39,360
jim i'll share that letter with you but

2312
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:41,600
anyway i took it as a compliment in

2313
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:44,000
subsequent letters he told me how much

2314
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:46,480
he appreciated how hard i was working

2315
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,880
with don and taking care of his good

2316
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:51,280
friend i love don and i'm going to look

2317
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,679
out for him and we're going to have a

2318
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,600
lot of fun i want to do as much of this

2319
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,280
stuff with don

2320
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:00,000
as we can while he's still able he's 79

2321
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:02,800
years old but he's doing pretty good but

2322
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:04,560
i what i would what i would like to do

2323
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:05,520
jim

2324
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:06,639
is

2325
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:10,880
map 8

2326
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:12,880
that was written by the guy who made the

2327
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:16,639
map and did all this work the guy that

2328
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,280
wrote all of this

2329
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:21,440
and com you know he didn't do anything

2330
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,360
with the original letters but he

2331
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:25,840
compiled a lot of information and then

2332
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,199
he wrote

2333
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,520
this narrative and i would like to read

2334
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:32,080
part of that absolutely i i i want to

2335
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,920
hear it okay

2336
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:35,360
so

2337
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,119
it's written in french

2338
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:40,159
um he uses roman numbers for dates i'm

2339
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,920
not going to talk about any of that

2340
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:44,400
because there's specific information

2341
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:45,360
about

2342
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,320
the cartographers

2343
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,880
uh the explorers that they traveled with

2344
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:53,360
who were members of the order of the

2345
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,800
temple

2346
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:56,639
you will know just about every one of

2347
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:02,310
and some of the names that show up on

2348
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:03,440
here

2349
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:10,149
well one of the guys

2350
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:12,159
was uh i'll tell you one name that's

2351
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:13,440
interesting

2352
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:14,880
he was a member of the order of the

2353
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:16,639
temple and he was the navigator for

2354
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,159
columbus

2355
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,880
uh his name was where the hell is it

2356
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:22,639
here

2357
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,109
pedro

2358
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:29,679
alonso nino

2359
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:32,719
the date on here is 1499 when he did his

2360
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,560
work on the order of the temple and i i

2361
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:36,400
know exactly what he did

2362
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,440
anyway

2363
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:39,040
um

2364
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,040
only here's what he says i'll read the

2365
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:43,760
parts that i can read okay remember this

2366
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:50,709
he says here's the first line i am the

2367
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:53,280
last of my name

2368
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,280
clyphus licinius sailed with blank

2369
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,440
in 1408

2370
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,639
excuse me

2371
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,719
11 58

2372
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:04,400
and again with the poor knights of

2373
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:08,400
christ in 1174 and 1180

2374
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:11,440
cleyfus lucillus

2375
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,320
i i can't read that stuff i am making a

2376
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:16,800
compilation of their works along with

2377
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:22,000
that of pedro nino alonso dated 1499

2378
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:25,280
the maps of so and so and the map of so

2379
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:27,199
and so and so and so

2380
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,600
and my own

2381
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,080
only three of our lineage have been

2382
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:34,719
creators of maps

2383
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,679
we are known by our seals

2384
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:39,360
and then there's some really important

2385
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,280
stuff here that i can't talk about that

2386
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,159
talks about a treasure that is not gold

2387
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,119
and silver

2388
01:41:53,229 --> 01:41:50,080
um may true believers recover them

2389
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:53,239
against rome and other idolaters

2390
01:41:57,149 --> 01:41:54,800
1722

2391
01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:57,159
an attempt was made to recover them in

2392
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:01,520
1643 but failed many of our bloodlines

2393
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:04,320
are concealed under the names of others

2394
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,760
pseudonyms

2395
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:07,920
for being a cartographer and an

2396
01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:11,119
interpreter of maps is a heavy burden

2397
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:13,840
often a

2398
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,520
think about this

2399
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:17,600
you are a map maker for the knights

2400
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,320
templar order that is hidden treasures

2401
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,960
all over the north atlantic right

2402
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:24,320
do you think there's some people that

2403
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:25,840
like to sit you down and have a chat

2404
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,840
with you

2405
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:29,280
absolutely absolutely you're the keeper

2406
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:30,639
of the secrets

2407
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:32,880
you got it so they obviously these are

2408
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,960
not his real name

2409
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,159
um

2410
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,800
sought out by the rich and those greedy

2411
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,560
for base profits

2412
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:42,880
what will be the value if you gain the

2413
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:45,840
world but lose your soul

2414
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:48,560
the truth will set us free

2415
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:51,119
for wherever there is a treasure

2416
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:59,910
how many okay so there's there's there's

2417
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:02,159
eight maps and you said on map number

2418
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,679
eight there were how many locations 13

2419
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:07,520
13 and

2420
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,000
uh is one of those locations uh the cave

2421
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:14,880
that uh jackson discovered in the

2422
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:19,040
catskills no right okay so these are 13

2423
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:22,159
this is after that this is why but my

2424
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:25,840
point is uh that these are 13

2425
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,719
undiscovered locations

2426
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:30,639
well in one of the letters that bill

2427
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:33,040
jackson wrote

2428
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,960
which i think i have right

2429
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:36,719
right here somewhere

2430
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:39,040
he talks about

2431
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:44,310
hang on

2432
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:47,199
i got it here now that's there but he

2433
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,800
talks about

2434
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:50,560
that there may be some of the treasures

2435
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:52,960
left we actually went looking for one of

2436
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,360
the treasures a couple years ago

2437
01:44:03,669 --> 01:43:58,080
and we found oh here we go

2438
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:05,430
this is

2439
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:10,960
october 12 1994 bill jackson

2440
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:14,080
this letter the world has not seen

2441
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,679
dear brother leonard i'm just going to

2442
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,000
read this part

2443
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:20,159
don ru is the only person who took my

2444
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,080
research seriously and has helped me

2445
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:24,800
with it over the years so i include this

2446
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:27,920
portion to him but wish to do so after i

2447
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,560
have departed this earth

2448
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,560
since he is the youngest of the spartan

2449
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:35,199
personnel i think he will survive long

2450
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:36,719
enough for the current political

2451
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,080
situation in america to have passed on

2452
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:42,239
leaving what i hope will be a more open

2453
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:49,270
now this was written in 1994 and when

2454
01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:50,080
don

2455
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:52,480
read this for the first time

2456
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,280
and

2457
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,000
it's recorded i recorded it

2458
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:58,639
don just sat back and laughed and said

2459
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,159
well bill would be disappointed

2460
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:04,719
i wanted to ask you

2461
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:07,600
okay uh i've got two two things i've got

2462
01:45:12,149 --> 01:45:10,639
to get out of my brain go ahead

2463
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:12,159
is

2464
01:45:24,190 --> 01:45:20,320
you did go on an expedition out west

2465
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,990
[Music]

2466
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:27,840
okay we'll see now you just answer my

2467
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:30,800
question this is a different thing

2468
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,320
it's not connected uh that other

2469
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,119
location out west yep i know what you're

2470
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:39,280
talking about i haven't told you about

2471
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:40,320
this yet

2472
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:45,040
right okay okay so now uh back to um

2473
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,239
the

2474
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:48,320
series of cremona documents leading up

2475
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:50,880
to 1850 okay with the cartographer and

2476
01:45:56,229 --> 01:45:52,400
then yeah yeah the whole thing i just

2477
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:56,239
read yep how many of the documents in

2478
01:46:02,390 --> 01:45:59,840
your possession are originals

2479
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,400
well original is kind of a misleading

2480
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:04,960
question how many of them go back to

2481
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:07,600
the oldest document that we have

2482
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:11,679
is uh mid 18th century in other words 17

2483
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,159
something

2484
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:16,320
the the bulk of the documents have been

2485
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,679
recopied

2486
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:20,159
right and probably copies of copies

2487
01:46:26,070 --> 01:46:22,719
and most of the material we had was

2488
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:26,080
copied in 1858 we have that original

2489
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:28,080
material but we know it came from much

2490
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:29,679
older material

2491
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:30,480
so

2492
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:34,480
when you hold up a

2493
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:35,920
a document

2494
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,040
in in its plastic protective cover and

2495
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:41,600
it appears brown right that's the

2496
01:46:52,870 --> 01:46:49,270
yeah wow that's crazy

2497
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:52,880
now the cremona document itself

2498
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:57,040
the one that was purchased in the 70s

2499
01:47:01,510 --> 01:47:00,159
is that's a copy as well

2500
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:01,520
yes

2501
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,760
now what we also learned from this

2502
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,520
latest box

2503
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:07,280
is that in the

2504
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:08,800
um

2505
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:11,920
early eight around 1825

2506
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:13,119
there were

2507
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:15,199
two more copies made

2508
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,320
and they went to masonic lodges at

2509
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:20,639
different parts of the world now what we

2510
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:22,560
would like to do

2511
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:25,040
is before we go out and do any of this

2512
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:27,199
stuff we want to

2513
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:30,800
um get funding and we want to

2514
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:34,159
do it on um on a series

2515
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,679
on netflix on you know somebody want is

2516
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,440
going to want to pick up this story

2517
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:41,520
because i can guarantee you we are going

2518
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:42,719
to find

2519
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,360
um a few things

2520
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:47,840
including i would say a 90 chance that

2521
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:50,159
we will be able to find that ship that

2522
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,920
don found because they didn't recover

2523
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,760
the whole ship there's going to be a

2524
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:55,679
ballast pile down there

2525
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,639
and

2526
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:59,360
um finding a 12th century templar ship i

2527
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:00,800
think would be pretty freaking cool

2528
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,600
don't you yeah it's uh that's that's

2529
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:05,360
going to change things that's a that's a

2530
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:07,040
true game changer

2531
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:08,880
uh the

2532
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:11,440
the original urn i just want to get to

2533
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:12,960
specifically yeah yeah

2534
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:15,360
where is that today

2535
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:22,709
re-buried it in a different spot

2536
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:26,080
and he did not tell us where he put her

2537
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,080
that's what that's what there are there

2538
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:30,880
are a number of unanswered questions

2539
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:34,080
that only bill can answer

2540
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:36,080
there are some documents that we have

2541
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:38,400
photographs of that we do not have the

2542
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,679
actual

2543
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,679
originals

2544
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:43,760
i will tell you that

2545
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:45,600
some of the things that are in these

2546
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:48,400
materials now imagine jim

2547
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,639
the cremona document

2548
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:51,840
was

2549
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:59,920
handwriting like the back of my hand if

2550
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,679
you showed me a piece of paper and he

2551
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,760
wrote it i would know

2552
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,960
um

2553
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,520
and so the narrative is in there

2554
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,320
the maps are drawn into the book

2555
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,880
except mapping map eight is three feet

2556
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:14,719
by two feet it's huge

2557
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:15,599
and

2558
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:17,599
there are letters that are stuffed into

2559
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,719
it there are other parts of historical

2560
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,960
documents that are stuffed in there

2561
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:23,840
now

2562
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,080
jim if you have your phone i want you to

2563
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,320
google this

2564
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:32,080
the book

2565
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,990
just

2566
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:40,400
book i have a thing called a computer i

2567
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:42,800
don't use my phone the book

2568
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:46,159
the book of the wars of the lord

2569
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:47,679
and uh

2570
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,760
it's right here yeah okay and what does

2571
01:49:56,440 --> 01:49:51,440
it say

2572
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:56,450
it's one of several non-canon

2573
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:59,040
[Music]

2574
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,159
how do you say

2575
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,719
non-canonical canonical

2576
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:05,520
canonical canonical books referenced in

2577
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:08,480
the bible which have now been completely

2578
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:11,679
lost it mentioned it's mentioned in

2579
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:14,960
numbers 21 14 15 which reads

2580
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:18,639
from there are a set out and camped on

2581
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:21,440
the other side of amen

2582
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:24,960
which is in the desert and bounding the

2583
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,400
amorite territory for aemon is the

2584
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:31,360
border of moab between moab and the

2585
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,440
amorities

2586
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:36,159
that is why the book of the wars of the

2587
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:39,199
lord says that is why the book of the

2588
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:43,040
lord says wahab in supa and the ravines

2589
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:45,440
of aemon and at the stream of the

2590
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:48,239
ravines that lead to the dwelling of r

2591
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,760
which lies along the border of moab

2592
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:54,000
david rosenberg suggests the book of

2593
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:55,840
david

2594
01:51:02,390 --> 01:50:59,920
1100 bc

2595
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,400
or thereabouts theologian joseph barbour

2596
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:04,239
lightfoot suggested that it was merely

2597
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:06,719
another title for the mysterious

2598
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,080
biblical book of jasher

2599
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:12,560
the book of wars of the lord is cited in

2600
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:15,040
the medieval book of jasher as being a

2601
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:18,880
collaborative record written by moses

2602
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:22,560
joshua and the children of israel

2603
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,440
wow okay back in the very beginning what

2604
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:28,320
you read was there is no extent copy

2605
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,119
known to exist right right right guess

2606
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:32,960
what

2607
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:36,080
it's in the document we have it

2608
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,080
you have the book of the wars of the

2609
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:40,480
lord yes

2610
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,480
wow and uh

2611
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:44,480
uh now you know

2612
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,040
now let me just let me just

2613
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,119
go ahead go ahead it's first scott and i

2614
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:50,960
are going to butt heads and

2615
01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:51,679
and

2616
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,599
we're both so excited because this is

2617
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:55,199
cool [\h__\h]

2618
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,320
this is

2619
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:58,320
uh i'm going to throw

2620
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:59,360
uh

2621
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:00,800
i'm going to throw you under the bus

2622
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,800
just a little bit not much go right

2623
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:04,480
ahead your feet

2624
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,440
um i've seen map eight

2625
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:09,440
and i know you don't want to reveal it

2626
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:10,560
on the show

2627
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:13,119
but step back a few feet

2628
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:16,560
and just pull it out and show it just

2629
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:19,360
just whip it out on on the camera so

2630
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,320
everybody can understand just flash it

2631
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:25,440
just flash it yeah there it is

2632
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,350
yeah you can't do this i i don't want

2633
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:33,599
anybody to do a screen grab but there is

2634
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:36,800
map and as we are referencing this

2635
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,040
during the show now everybody knows what

2636
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:40,960
we're talking about okay now one more

2637
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,679
thing that you need to know is that

2638
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,920
we have an affidavit here that was

2639
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:48,159
written by dan spartan

2640
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:49,599
literally

2641
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:52,000
less than a month from when he died this

2642
01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:53,280
is uh

2643
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,840
january he signed it january 4th to

2644
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:58,400
2021

2645
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:00,880
he died february 22nd

2646
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:03,679
um he signed it his son signed it

2647
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:06,880
his wife signed it and their lawyer

2648
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:09,920
and this is a detailed

2649
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:11,280
affidavit

2650
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:13,119
about the process

2651
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:16,400
of taking the rotting deer hide and

2652
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:18,639
copying it onto paper which is what i

2653
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,800
just showed you because i know everybody

2654
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:22,239
watching this is going well that's a

2655
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:23,679
piece of paper what are you talking

2656
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:24,480
about

2657
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:27,920
on animal skin

2658
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,320
now this

2659
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,080
is the neck map

2660
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,560
this is the neck part of the animal that

2661
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,480
they cut off

2662
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:38,639
and copied

2663
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,109
[Laughter]

2664
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:47,360
i will just say this and i am not

2665
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,480
kidding

2666
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:50,080
if there are people watching right now

2667
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:52,880
that are fans of the curse of oak island

2668
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:57,280
the answer to that show is right here

2669
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,920
i am and i'm dead serious

2670
01:54:05,189 --> 01:54:02,080
um and i'm not gonna and i'm not gonna

2671
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:05,199
reveal it but what i will tell you

2672
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,239
is there there was a treasure there now

2673
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:10,080
you said was

2674
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,440
there was a treasure put there that was

2675
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:16,239
so those guys are digging over there and

2676
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,199
there's

2677
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:19,199
nothing there

2678
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:21,520
i can either confirm nor deny

2679
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:22,400
right

2680
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,679
look at they watch and they pay close

2681
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:27,840
attention to everything i do oh they're

2682
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,199
watching you know

2683
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,599
in all seriousness

2684
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:33,360
i have been invited on that show four

2685
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:41,589
kevin burns called me twice personally

2686
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:43,360
and if you know who kevin burns is he

2687
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:45,040
passed away a little over a year ago and

2688
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:48,639
he was a good dude ancient aliens um

2689
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:51,920
spot on dude yeah no

2690
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,400
and you know what he called me twice and

2691
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:56,800
one time he said scott we need you and i

2692
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:58,880
said i can't do it

2693
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:01,760
and you know i i i appreciate i can't do

2694
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:04,400
it and i won't go into why right now

2695
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:06,800
because it it'll spoil it for some

2696
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:08,560
people but there's a reason why i said

2697
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,280
no

2698
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,280
and believe me i i

2699
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:14,159
this ties directly into the work that

2700
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,360
i'm doing

2701
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:16,800
um

2702
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,199
though is and it wasn't

2703
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:23,679
kevin's fault but there's been some

2704
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:26,400
you know some shady stuff that's gone on

2705
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:27,679
um

2706
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:30,159
and i will reveal this secret

2707
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,840
um this person xena who took one of the

2708
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:36,320
maps that we had

2709
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:38,080
uh they've been using for eight years

2710
01:55:41,589 --> 01:55:39,760
the nova scotia map

2711
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:41,599
and then she also took another map that

2712
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:45,360
don gave her but what she didn't know

2713
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:48,400
was that it was a test

2714
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:51,119
to see what she would do

2715
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:53,119
and it's this map right here

2716
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:55,360
yeah i have that map yeah yeah this is

2717
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:01,109
look at that paper

2718
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:03,040
that's not old paper is it

2719
01:56:05,669 --> 01:56:03,840
no

2720
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:05,679
this is a map that was made by bill

2721
01:56:09,030 --> 01:56:07,440
jackson as part of his novel he

2722
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:09,040
incorporated

2723
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,040
the oak allen story

2724
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:13,520
into his novel which he never finished

2725
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:16,000
and it was never published so don gave

2726
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:18,400
this to xena as a test

2727
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:20,239
and she took it to the oak island boys

2728
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:22,239
and they're still using this map on the

2729
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,760
show

2730
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:25,760
and they know it's fake

2731
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:29,040
but they still use it so

2732
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:32,080
uh send all of your email to scout

2733
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,760
walter gmail.com

2734
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:37,760
you know what the truth hurts sometimes

2735
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:40,560
pal but you know what yeah i talked to

2736
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:42,000
one of their i talked to one of their

2737
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:44,880
executives not too long ago

2738
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:47,440
and they think our story's fake

2739
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:50,480
and i said wait a minute wait a minute

2740
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:52,639
you're using one of our maps one of

2741
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:55,119
don's maps and you're telling me that

2742
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:58,639
you think our story is fake really

2743
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,760
it's hot in here god it's hot

2744
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:03,840
hey listen jimmy jimmy if you can't

2745
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,360
stand the heat get out of the kitchen

2746
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:06,960
brother i'm telling you

2747
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:07,840
that's why

2748
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:15,040
and and and now uh back to and we're

2749
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,760
going to continue this uh um after the

2750
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:18,800
break

2751
01:57:21,750 --> 01:57:20,000
so

2752
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:21,760
i want the audience to understand that

2753
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:24,560
when we talk about the cremona document

2754
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:25,920
it is

2755
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,719
uh multi-faceted there is the original

2756
01:57:32,270 --> 01:57:31,280
purchase that happened in

2757
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:32,280
italy

2758
01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:33,920
1971.

2759
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:36,719
and it that is a compilation and

2760
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:40,400
rewrites of the history going back to

2761
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:42,320
uh

2762
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:45,119
through parts of the 12th century which

2763
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:46,639
led to

2764
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:47,760
10th

2765
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:50,159
century trips

2766
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:53,920
from europe over here to

2767
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:55,199
what is now

2768
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:57,119
north america no we don't know if it was

2769
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:00,639
10th century it was sometime before that

2770
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:03,440
maybe as late as that as the the uh the

2771
01:58:08,229 --> 01:58:05,760
10th century but what i will tell you is

2772
01:58:12,310 --> 01:58:08,239
also in these documents

2773
01:58:15,270 --> 01:58:12,320
is there is information that goes right

2774
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:15,280
to jesus and mary magdalene in fact the

2775
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:17,280
key document that

2776
01:58:22,550 --> 01:58:20,080
ralphtha suddenly wanted to recover and

2777
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:22,560
did recover

2778
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,400
was the marriage document of jesus and

2779
01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:26,960
mary magdalene and if you have read my

2780
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:30,159
book cryptic code you know that i um

2781
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:32,639
have had some people contact me and

2782
01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:36,960
share documents from the vatican that

2783
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:40,239
basically state that they do have a copy

2784
01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:42,159
of the marriage document but the world

2785
01:58:45,910 --> 01:58:44,080
is never going to see it

2786
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:45,920
let's take our break right here this is

2787
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:47,760
spade to black i am your host jimmy

2788
01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:51,360
church tonight scott walter is with us

2789
01:58:59,860 --> 01:58:54,880
and okay scott turn around

2790
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,149
[Music]

2791
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:04,400
this one

2792
01:59:09,669 --> 01:59:06,080
what's in that black frame i just want

2793
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:11,990
the cross crook and the flail does that

2794
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:13,840
look familiar to you

2795
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:19,589
our guest tonight

2796
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:21,199
scott walter

2797
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:24,159
i want that in the bunker isn't that

2798
01:59:30,470 --> 01:59:24,960
cool

2799
01:59:32,629 --> 01:59:30,480
what it's called and so is scott walter

2800
01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:32,639
this is finn black i'm real simply

2801
01:59:38,380 --> 01:59:34,960
church more with scott after this short

2802
01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:40,550
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2803
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2807
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2808
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2809
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2810
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2811
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2812
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2813
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2814
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2828
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2831
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2836
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2839
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2840
02:01:32,070 --> 02:01:28,639
this is jimmy church of fade to black

2841
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:32,080
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2842
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2843
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2844
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2845
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blend

2846
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:45,280
this is the only way forward

2847
02:01:50,629 --> 02:01:48,080
this is aid to black

2848
02:01:52,870 --> 02:01:50,639
make contact

2849
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,880
this is billy carson founder and ceo of

2850
02:01:56,629 --> 02:01:54,480
forbidden knowledge and we're heading to

2851
02:01:58,149 --> 02:01:56,639
egypt this october come join jimmy

2852
02:01:59,669 --> 02:01:58,159
church myself and the forbidden

2853
02:02:01,669 --> 02:01:59,679
knowledge team as we spend a week

2854
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:01,679
exploring giza the great sphinx the

2855
02:02:06,310 --> 02:02:04,480
great pyramid zakara dashur aswan edfu

2856
02:02:08,470 --> 02:02:06,320
dandara karnak and will celebrate

2857
02:02:10,390 --> 02:02:08,480
jimmy's birthday in luxor the forbidden

2858
02:02:12,470 --> 02:02:10,400
tour of music is this october 5th

2859
02:02:14,470 --> 02:02:12,480
through the 12th and includes a four-day

2860
02:02:16,390 --> 02:02:14,480
now cruise expert interpellages and a

2861
02:02:17,910 --> 02:02:16,400
chance to explore egypt with jimmy and i

2862
02:02:20,229 --> 02:02:17,920
as your host through your journey of a

2863
02:02:22,350 --> 02:02:20,239
lifetime space is limited so make your

2864
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:22,360
reservations now please visit

2865
02:02:26,229 --> 02:02:24,239
forbiddennells.com for information and

2866
02:02:31,510 --> 02:02:26,239
complete itinerary that's forbidden

2867
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:33,430
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

2868
02:02:40,629 --> 02:02:37,840
and this year june 18th 2022

2869
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:40,639
the disclosure fest foundation presents

2870
02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:43,199
the mass meditation initiative it's

2871
02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:46,800
saturday june 18th from 10 a.m to 10 p.m

2872
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:49,360
one day only at the los angeles state

2873
02:02:54,950 --> 02:02:51,840
historic park in downtown los angeles

2874
02:02:57,350 --> 02:02:54,960
california right next to chinatown i'm

2875
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:57,360
hosting the event again this year with

2876
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:00,400
music performances by trevor hall

2877
02:03:07,350 --> 02:03:04,080
the desert dwellers orondee and many

2878
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:07,360
many more on four separate stages

2879
02:03:14,149 --> 02:03:11,280
there's 16 stages in total over 30 acres

2880
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:14,159
in downtown los angeles with vendors and

2881
02:03:18,870 --> 02:03:16,560
tents and presentations and workshops

2882
02:03:21,189 --> 02:03:18,880
with billy carson adam apollo lori

2883
02:03:23,669 --> 02:03:21,199
spania laura eisenhower brattles and

2884
02:03:26,270 --> 02:03:23,679
david palmer and many many more it's all

2885
02:03:28,070 --> 02:03:26,280
simple to do just go to

2886
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:28,080
disclosurefest.org for all of your

2887
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:29,840
tickets information and the full

2888
02:03:35,390 --> 02:03:32,960
schedule of the day's events again

2889
02:03:48,069 --> 02:03:35,400
disclosurefast.org

2890
02:03:53,669 --> 02:03:49,910
you wanna know a secret

2891
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:53,679
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

2892
02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:55,040
serious

2893
02:03:58,629 --> 02:03:57,280
i couldn't stay sane without pulling mr

2894
02:04:00,709 --> 02:03:58,639
brush

2895
02:04:07,189 --> 02:04:00,719
why fade to black

2896
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:09,350
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2897
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:13,170
on the game changer radio network

2898
02:04:17,090 --> 02:04:14,330
[Music]

2899
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:17,100
[Applause]

2900
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,910
all right welcome back

2901
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:27,599
fade to black i am your host jimmy

2902
02:04:36,470 --> 02:04:31,360
church tonight scott walter is with us

2903
02:04:40,229 --> 02:04:36,480
scott walter and finally scott and i are

2904
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:40,239
live together at the same time and i i i

2905
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:41,840
totally dig this scott

2906
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:43,280
and uh

2907
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:44,239
let's

2908
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:49,199
something very important

2909
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:51,360
if

2910
02:05:00,709 --> 02:04:56,560
somebody was here before columbus

2911
02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:00,719
and potentially discovered things

2912
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:04,480
and did a land grab and marked and

2913
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:06,400
left things

2914
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:09,840
is this something that could change i

2915
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:11,760
mean could we be

2916
02:05:15,910 --> 02:05:13,440
in the united states of the united

2917
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:15,920
kingdom or the united states of

2918
02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:19,040
of scandinavia or the united states of

2919
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:21,520
uh of of norway

2920
02:05:27,589 --> 02:05:24,560
and this would be a reason to suppress

2921
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:27,599
all of this because potentially

2922
02:05:31,589 --> 02:05:29,199
somebody else has a claim to this

2923
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:31,599
country

2924
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:34,960
that is an excellent question in fact i

2925
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:37,040
have been contacted over the course of

2926
02:05:42,069 --> 02:05:38,159
the last

2927
02:05:44,709 --> 02:05:42,079
four years by two different attorneys

2928
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:44,719
that were asking me specifically about

2929
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:46,320
the runestone

2930
02:05:49,589 --> 02:05:48,000
um

2931
02:05:51,430 --> 02:05:49,599
for that very reason

2932
02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:51,440
um

2933
02:05:54,950 --> 02:05:53,360
that said

2934
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:54,960
um

2935
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:56,400
who would it be

2936
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:58,079
i mean stop and think about it for a

2937
02:06:01,350 --> 02:05:59,199
second

2938
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:01,360
you know i i say it was the templars i

2939
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:03,360
know it was the templars who are the

2940
02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:06,719
templars what nationality what country

2941
02:06:10,229 --> 02:06:08,320
what group

2942
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:10,239
who do they represent

2943
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:11,280
um

2944
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:14,800
now it could potentially be

2945
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:17,360
you have scotland you have the united

2946
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:19,920
kingdom you have portugal you have spain

2947
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,960
freaking malta well you you got norway i

2948
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:25,520
mean norway yeah you've got scandinavian

2949
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,639
countries um but but the truth of the

2950
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:30,560
matter is

2951
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:32,800
the templars were not they didn't

2952
02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:35,760
identify with any particular nation they

2953
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,520
didn't identify

2954
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:39,119
i mean people identified them with the

2955
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:40,639
roman catholic church but part of the

2956
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:42,159
reason they were burned is because the

2957
02:06:45,910 --> 02:06:44,239
church finally figured out that they

2958
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:45,920
weren't they weren't the catholics that

2959
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:47,440
they thought they were they were

2960
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:50,000
monotheists they they embrace an

2961
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,000
ideology that goes back to egypt and

2962
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:54,400
beyond they venerated the sacred

2963
02:06:58,229 --> 02:06:55,840
feminine this is something that the

2964
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:58,239
church was not going to tolerate at all

2965
02:07:01,990 --> 02:06:58,960
so

2966
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:02,000
the point is is that there is no country

2967
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:04,239
that can make a claim

2968
02:07:08,790 --> 02:07:07,360
because the templars were multi-country

2969
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,800
i mean they were they had they had

2970
02:07:13,270 --> 02:07:11,119
commanders in many countries so

2971
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:13,280
but but really what what what this boils

2972
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,800
down to

2973
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:15,920
is that

2974
02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:18,320
the ideology the the ideological

2975
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:20,159
descendants of the templars are the

2976
02:07:25,030 --> 02:07:22,800
modern day freemasons right they were

2977
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:25,040
practicing freemasonry

2978
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:28,000
our founding fathers inherited

2979
02:07:31,189 --> 02:07:29,360
their work

2980
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:31,199
they knew all about the runestone they

2981
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:32,880
knew about the newport tower they knew

2982
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:34,639
about a lot of these artifacts that were

2983
02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:36,880
left here but they just didn't tell

2984
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:39,199
anyone in fact these guys were also

2985
02:07:43,589 --> 02:07:41,440
knights templar our founding fathers and

2986
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:43,599
they were all freemasons

2987
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:47,040
so 53 of the 56 signers were were master

2988
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:48,079
masons

2989
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:48,880
so

2990
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:51,199
make no mistake that this country was

2991
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:53,920
founded upon the principal principles of

2992
02:07:59,430 --> 02:07:57,280
freemasonry that are an outgrowth of

2993
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:59,440
what happened to the templars back in

2994
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:01,199
the 14th century

2995
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:03,920
that's why we have freedom of religion

2996
02:08:08,069 --> 02:08:05,520
in this country right

2997
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:08,079
because they know what happens when one

2998
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:11,119
religion gets too powerful and starts to

2999
02:08:14,629 --> 02:08:13,199
intermingle with the monarchies of

3000
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:14,639
europe

3001
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:15,599
that's

3002
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:18,079
that one legitimizing the other and

3003
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:20,719
putting you know the state above the

3004
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,520
people so they wanted to create a nation

3005
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:25,840
that we now call the united states where

3006
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:28,000
the people are supposed to be above the

3007
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:29,119
government

3008
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:29,920
now

3009
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:31,679
over the course of the last several

3010
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:33,920
years and we don't have to get into the

3011
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:36,880
details we have clearly forgotten where

3012
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:40,159
we came from right people forget that we

3013
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:42,800
fought a revolution against what a

3014
02:08:46,709 --> 02:08:45,520
monarchy for god's sake right

3015
02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:46,719
so

3016
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:47,840
you know

3017
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:50,400
if you stop and think about it

3018
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:51,760
it's obvious

3019
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:54,159
that the templars evolved into modern

3020
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,400
freemasonry they are the ones that

3021
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,560
founded this country they left these

3022
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,360
artifacts the runestones a land claim

3023
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:04,000
and it doesn't make a claim for any

3024
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:05,040
nation

3025
02:09:10,069 --> 02:09:08,239
in fact it's got 22 hec hooked x's on it

3026
02:09:12,709 --> 02:09:10,079
this symbol represents the essence of

3027
02:09:15,030 --> 02:09:12,719
their ideology right and so

3028
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:15,040
that ideology was

3029
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,239
one god that had dualistic aspects that

3030
02:09:23,109 --> 02:09:21,040
keep things in balance male female

3031
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:23,119
heaven and earth good bad light dark

3032
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:24,960
that's what this nation was supposed to

3033
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:28,239
emulate and we have lost that so part of

3034
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:31,599
what i want to do with this story jim is

3035
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:34,320
to reveal this history in a fun and

3036
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:37,360
exciting way but also to remind people

3037
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:39,199
where we came from

3038
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:41,679
what these lessons were that we have

3039
02:09:46,069 --> 02:09:43,280
forgotten about

3040
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:46,079
and for some reason people are scared

3041
02:09:52,390 --> 02:09:48,239
pardon my friends shitless of the

3042
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:52,400
templars well tough hop it is what it is

3043
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:54,480
and they weren't the good catholics that

3044
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:55,440
that they

3045
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:57,040
you know everybody thought they were i'm

3046
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:58,960
sorry but that's the truth

3047
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:00,800
and what they were is they embraced

3048
02:10:05,830 --> 02:10:02,800
people from all nations

3049
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:05,840
all colors all creeds and they venerated

3050
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,159
the feminine because women are the life

3051
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:10,880
givers and this is something that we we

3052
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:13,520
need to remember especially in this day

3053
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:15,920
and age in our country for god's sakes

3054
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:19,360
when i go overseas i have to apologize

3055
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:22,159
for my countrymen who treat people of

3056
02:10:27,910 --> 02:10:25,440
color like [\h__\h] people that are gay or

3057
02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:27,920
trans or whatever you know what i don't

3058
02:10:32,550 --> 02:10:30,079
care what you are cut your arm what

3059
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:32,560
color is your blood jimmy what turtle is

3060
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:34,560
everybody's blood

3061
02:10:38,229 --> 02:10:37,360
we're all earthlings

3062
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:38,239
well

3063
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:39,199
hey

3064
02:10:46,870 --> 02:10:45,510
is that the segway yeah

3065
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:46,880
that was uh

3066
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:49,119
you know what like my phone call with

3067
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:52,079
you uh two years ago never ignore a

3068
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:53,520
synchronicity when it hits you in the

3069
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:55,440
face yeah right yeah

3070
02:11:01,990 --> 02:10:59,199
you just don't do it um when uh let's

3071
02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:02,000
talk a little bit uh about

3072
02:11:04,709 --> 02:11:03,920
uh aliens

3073
02:11:07,350 --> 02:11:04,719
and

3074
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:07,360
just like anything that you do when it

3075
02:11:13,109 --> 02:11:10,880
deals with rocks and artifacts

3076
02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:13,119
uh you're looking at things under an

3077
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:14,719
electron microscope you've got a

3078
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:16,719
laboratory you are able to analyze

3079
02:11:21,270 --> 02:11:19,199
things uh you have dirt debris you have

3080
02:11:24,470 --> 02:11:21,280
natural stuff you have gums you have

3081
02:11:26,870 --> 02:11:24,480
glues you have things that are that are

3082
02:11:28,550 --> 02:11:26,880
part of it you have tool marks

3083
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:28,560
um

3084
02:11:32,149 --> 02:11:29,280
if

3085
02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:32,159
tools were used whether it's 2000 years

3086
02:11:37,910 --> 02:11:34,560
old or or 10 years old

3087
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:37,920
you you tool and carve these things with

3088
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:40,800
something and so you are able to

3089
02:11:46,870 --> 02:11:44,560
look at uh all of this and start to

3090
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:46,880
deduce things and and come to some

3091
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:48,560
conclusions

3092
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:51,360
so when just like the kensington

3093
02:11:54,950 --> 02:11:53,119
runestone

3094
02:11:57,350 --> 02:11:54,960
that you have to look at very very

3095
02:11:59,430 --> 02:11:57,360
closely and the bat creek stone and

3096
02:12:02,149 --> 02:11:59,440
everything else right we could go down a

3097
02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:02,159
long list of stuff

3098
02:12:09,030 --> 02:12:05,920
when you look at these um artifacts from

3099
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:09,040
a central and some south america

3100
02:12:14,790 --> 02:12:13,040
uh that clearly represents uh what we

3101
02:12:17,510 --> 02:12:14,800
now know today as

3102
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:17,520
um alien or e.t

3103
02:12:22,310 --> 02:12:18,400
um

3104
02:12:25,350 --> 02:12:22,320
uh star systems uh star maps solar

3105
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:25,360
systems planets asteroids what looks

3106
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:27,840
like craft uh

3107
02:12:30,229 --> 02:12:29,280
exactly

3108
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:30,239
um

3109
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:31,119
what

3110
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:39,990
uh

3111
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:41,920
what type of dating are we looking at

3112
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,679
well there's two different ways that we

3113
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:45,760
have been able to date

3114
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:48,400
these so-called alien artifacts

3115
02:12:52,310 --> 02:12:50,639
well hold up this uh artifact that you

3116
02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:52,320
just you don't have to use the light but

3117
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:55,280
hold this up okay

3118
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:58,159
and there's the light okay no it's okay

3119
02:13:01,990 --> 02:12:59,599
it's okay you can hold it close to the

3120
02:13:04,950 --> 02:13:02,000
camera just for a second yeah and oh

3121
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:04,960
that's perfect that one is uh a little

3122
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:05,760
bit

3123
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:07,920
different you see the all-seeing eye of

3124
02:13:12,069 --> 02:13:10,480
course of course it's very clear

3125
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:12,079
okay so

3126
02:13:16,229 --> 02:13:12,960
what

3127
02:13:19,830 --> 02:13:16,239
uh when you have an object like this an

3128
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:22,149
you are in possession of it you didn't

3129
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:24,239
ignore this

3130
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:27,199
why is this in your possession this one

3131
02:13:32,069 --> 02:13:29,760
yes well this particular one is because

3132
02:13:34,629 --> 02:13:32,079
of that all-seeing eye i find to be very

3133
02:13:38,229 --> 02:13:34,639
interesting and actually is sort of a

3134
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:38,239
dovetailing of the templar story and the

3135
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:40,079
alien story

3136
02:13:44,709 --> 02:13:42,159
um one of the things that i was told by

3137
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:44,719
my contact is that freemasonry is

3138
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:46,880
directly connected to the alien

3139
02:13:51,750 --> 02:13:50,159
phenomena in ways that i am still trying

3140
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:51,760
to figure out

3141
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:54,239
this artifact with the all seeing eye in

3142
02:13:58,629 --> 02:13:56,880
inside of an equilateral triangle the

3143
02:14:01,830 --> 02:13:58,639
delta if you will

3144
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:01,840
um is a very important masonic symbol

3145
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:05,119
and um it's it's on our dollar bill

3146
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:09,280
right um it was designed by um

3147
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:11,280
it was designed by freemasons and

3148
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:14,000
initiated people and the all-seeing eye

3149
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:16,960
goes back to the eye of ra and the

3150
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:19,280
egyptians and and beyond it's a symbol

3151
02:14:24,149 --> 02:14:21,840
of deity um a lot of people would use

3152
02:14:26,790 --> 02:14:24,159
the term god but i think deity is really

3153
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:26,800
a better term but in any case

3154
02:14:29,669 --> 02:14:27,840
um

3155
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:29,679
this particular one has you saw the

3156
02:14:34,470 --> 02:14:32,159
alien on the other side what i haven't

3157
02:14:35,510 --> 02:14:34,480
shown you is all around the edge of this

3158
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:35,520
thing

3159
02:14:41,189 --> 02:14:38,400
are these symbols that we

3160
02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:41,199
talked about all the way around and

3161
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:43,840
these some of these are fairly complex i

3162
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:45,840
know it's hard to see them but

3163
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:47,920
i think you can see that uh there's some

3164
02:14:53,430 --> 02:14:50,719
pretty yeah you can see you can clearly

3165
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:53,440
see what's going on there right

3166
02:14:57,350 --> 02:14:56,239
so you know i for me it's it's the

3167
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:57,360
symbols

3168
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:59,360
are my number one thing but here's what

3169
02:15:02,790 --> 02:15:01,199
i'll tell you about the science that

3170
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,800
we've been able to do on these things

3171
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:04,800
and some of the the observations that

3172
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:07,040
we've made this one here is one that i

3173
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:08,560
absolutely love

3174
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,239
it looks like

3175
02:15:15,109 --> 02:15:12,320
you know a big wad of grapes but they're

3176
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:15,119
actually alien faces

3177
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:17,679
and they're carved in three dimensions

3178
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:21,440
and on the back we've got some dude in a

3179
02:15:24,390 --> 02:15:23,360
spacecraft

3180
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:24,400
you know

3181
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:27,840
and and then a spaceship down below and

3182
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:28,800
um

3183
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:31,119
now what do you see what do you see

3184
02:15:36,149 --> 02:15:33,440
with uh with the grooves under an

3185
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:36,159
electron microscope okay that's a great

3186
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,520
question now on some of these

3187
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:42,000
and you know what i'm looking at here is

3188
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:43,280
to try to

3189
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:44,960
first and foremost see if we can see

3190
02:15:48,629 --> 02:15:47,040
anything that equates to weathering and

3191
02:15:50,229 --> 02:15:48,639
the answer to that question is we really

3192
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:50,239
don't see a lot of weathering in these

3193
02:15:54,470 --> 02:15:52,880
artifacts and the main reason for that

3194
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:54,480
is because they're found buried in the

3195
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:55,920
ground so they're probably not going to

3196
02:16:00,149 --> 02:15:58,239
experience much if any weathering one of

3197
02:16:01,750 --> 02:16:00,159
the other things that i've looked at or

3198
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:01,760
looked for but i haven't been able to

3199
02:16:06,229 --> 02:16:04,239
find yet is evidence of secondary

3200
02:16:08,550 --> 02:16:06,239
deposits well i guess i have seen some

3201
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:08,560
iron oxide staining because when water

3202
02:16:12,629 --> 02:16:10,800
percolates through the ground it picks

3203
02:16:15,189 --> 02:16:12,639
up minerals and it will deposit them on

3204
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:15,199
the rocks down below right we don't see

3205
02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:17,280
a lot of that but we do see some

3206
02:16:22,390 --> 02:16:20,400
so that's really not an area where i can

3207
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:22,400
contribute too much but when i do look

3208
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:24,079
at the grooves

3209
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:26,320
in some of these artifacts

3210
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:27,760
and i don't know how the hell they did

3211
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:30,239
this but imagine a groove that's cut

3212
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:32,880
like this that has a rounded bottom

3213
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:34,479
right

3214
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:36,719
i've actually seen where it looks like

3215
02:16:40,709 --> 02:16:39,359
along that bottom of the groove that it

3216
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:40,719
was like

3217
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:42,960
spray painted in

3218
02:16:48,469 --> 02:16:47,509
you know a millimeter wide less than

3219
02:16:49,589 --> 02:16:48,479
that

3220
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:49,599
um

3221
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:51,359
how the hell did that happen i mean that

3222
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:54,160
is a very curious thing that i i i don't

3223
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:55,760
even know what to tell you

3224
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:58,960
um but we have been able to date

3225
02:17:01,990 --> 02:17:00,960
a number of the artifacts two different

3226
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:02,000
ways

3227
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:04,399
one was a pipe i told you about i know

3228
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,559
i've told you about this in the past a

3229
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,800
small pipe it was only about this big it

3230
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:10,960
was really cool because it had an alien

3231
02:17:15,910 --> 02:17:13,200
face on the front of the bowl the eyes

3232
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:15,920
were carved out so air could go directly

3233
02:17:21,110 --> 02:17:17,760
into the bowl and he had to cover his

3234
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:21,120
eyes to get the draw to get the smoke to

3235
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:22,559
to inhale it

3236
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:24,240
um there's all kinds of interesting

3237
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:25,760
symbolism there

3238
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:27,040
but

3239
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:29,200
there was resin that was built up in the

3240
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:30,160
bowl

3241
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:32,160
and there was sediment on top of the

3242
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:33,920
resin right

3243
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:36,000
so that was interesting to me and i

3244
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:37,359
thought well maybe we can date this

3245
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:38,399
resin

3246
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:41,040
and so i ended up sending it to the lab

3247
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:42,800
well i called him first and i told him

3248
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,160
what i wanted to do and he said hey

3249
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:46,880
scott just send me the pipe i'll collect

3250
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:49,200
the sample for you and we'll test it now

3251
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:51,679
that was great because that eliminated

3252
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:54,160
one point of the chain of custody of

3253
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:56,160
that material i sent the whole pipe to

3254
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:58,479
him i didn't collect it myself have

3255
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:00,639
somebody question the way i did it the

3256
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:03,280
lab did it okay

3257
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:05,120
about three weeks later i get a call

3258
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:06,960
from him and he said scott he said can

3259
02:18:09,509 --> 02:18:08,639
you pay me for this right now i said

3260
02:18:11,910 --> 02:18:09,519
sure

3261
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:11,920
i paid him with a credit card

3262
02:18:16,870 --> 02:18:14,399
he sent me the email oh before he hung

3263
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,880
up he said by the way he said don't ever

3264
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:18,319
send me another one of these things

3265
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:19,679
again

3266
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:20,559
i said

3267
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:24,960
why not he said just don't do it

3268
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:27,200
and when i got the test results back i

3269
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:28,479
nearly

3270
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:30,080
wet myself

3271
02:18:35,669 --> 02:18:32,639
do you remember what that number was i i

3272
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:35,679
uh was 15 000 years

3273
02:18:39,230 --> 02:18:36,880
not that one

3274
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:39,240
this this one was

3275
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,800
5400

3276
02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:41,920
bp

3277
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:44,080
that's right for present that's the

3278
02:18:47,509 --> 02:18:46,479
youngest date that we have gotten by the

3279
02:18:48,709 --> 02:18:47,519
way

3280
02:18:52,230 --> 02:18:48,719
so

3281
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:52,240
the resin in the pipe

3282
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:55,840
was 3000 bc

3283
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:58,960
3 400 b.c yeah well okay come on let's

3284
02:19:04,469 --> 02:19:01,679
go let's make shots all the time 2400

3285
02:19:07,990 --> 02:19:04,479
years amongst friends right

3286
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:08,000
but 5 thousand year old resin

3287
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:10,719
is that uh okay there's gonna be people

3288
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:13,280
out there and say you could fake that

3289
02:19:18,230 --> 02:19:16,080
how would you how would you do that

3290
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,240
tell me how you could do it i don't know

3291
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:22,549
no no

3292
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:23,519
scott

3293
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:25,120
you're a pothead

3294
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,120
what kind of resin was it what

3295
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,280
kind of what kind of resin was it do you

3296
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:33,120
do you know was it tobacco was it

3297
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:34,160
something else

3298
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:37,760
i don't know maybe it was dmt i mean i i

3299
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:40,240
have no idea i mean but by the time we i

3300
02:19:44,389 --> 02:19:42,160
got the pipe back he had cleaned it out

3301
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:44,399
pretty good so i that doesn't mean that

3302
02:19:48,389 --> 02:19:46,000
maybe you couldn't take a solution and

3303
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:48,399
put it in a slurry and and somehow do

3304
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:50,319
some geochemistry on it that's really

3305
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:52,160
actually that's a good question we've

3306
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:54,479
never done that maybe we could that's a

3307
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:58,160
good idea yeah yeah i just thought of it

3308
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:01,439
well a pot pot was uh

3309
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:03,920
growing all over north america you know

3310
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:05,840
do you think they look they've been

3311
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:08,319
smoking pots since the beginning of time

3312
02:20:12,710 --> 02:20:09,840
that's right who knows what other

3313
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,720
hallucinogens and other medicinal plants

3314
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:14,399
they were using to

3315
02:20:20,070 --> 02:20:18,080
medicate or take a trip i mean so what

3316
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:20,080
maybe they get to an alternate reality

3317
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:22,080
and they see the maybe that's how they

3318
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:23,680
communicate with the aliens how do we

3319
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:27,200
know yeah 50 400 year old resin okay so

3320
02:20:31,670 --> 02:20:30,640
back onto these grooves though okay um

3321
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:31,680
uh

3322
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:33,040
what

3323
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:34,640
is is

3324
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:37,280
is it possible i've seen

3325
02:20:41,510 --> 02:20:39,040
i haven't seen thousands of these

3326
02:20:44,870 --> 02:20:41,520
objects but i've certainly seen hundreds

3327
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:44,880
of of these objects coming out of mexico

3328
02:20:48,950 --> 02:20:46,560
i've held them in my hands i've shared

3329
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:48,960
images with you in the past

3330
02:20:53,750 --> 02:20:51,280
and and these crazy dates are thrown out

3331
02:20:57,710 --> 02:20:53,760
there you know 15 000 years old

3332
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:57,720
what is fascinating to me is the

3333
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:00,399
intricacy of the work

3334
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:03,920
now uh some if if it's modern

3335
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:07,680
then there is a factory in mexico

3336
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:10,080
somewhere that is cranking these out

3337
02:21:15,510 --> 02:21:12,319
and i just think that somebody would

3338
02:21:17,030 --> 02:21:15,520
have been caught that these grooves

3339
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:17,040
are uh

3340
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:18,160
uh

3341
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:20,479
what's what's the word

3342
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:23,520
it would be a modern groove it wouldn't

3343
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,680
it wouldn't look ancient

3344
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:27,439
right so what are you seeing with these

3345
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:28,880
groups

3346
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:30,240
is there anything that tells you that

3347
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:32,560
these are modern tool marks

3348
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:34,399
well no i mean

3349
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,520
well i mean

3350
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,200
if somebody wanted to make that argument

3351
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:39,680
i'd say okay prove it i mean you know

3352
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:42,319
you can take a sharp stone tool you can

3353
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:43,840
flake it i mean you've seen some of

3354
02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:46,080
these points that have been flaked by

3355
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:47,439
the indigenous people and they're

3356
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:49,920
incredible i mean the level of detail

3357
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:52,399
you could use them to do surgery right

3358
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:53,359
so

3359
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:55,439
to be able to carve

3360
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:57,359
what we see here

3361
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:58,880
could they have created a tool that

3362
02:22:02,469 --> 02:22:00,080
would do that

3363
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:02,479
no problem ten thousand years ago i had

3364
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:04,960
no doubt that they could however

3365
02:22:09,270 --> 02:22:06,720
i will say that the quality of the

3366
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,280
workmanship on some of these artifacts

3367
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,280
is astounding i'll show you another one

3368
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:13,439
right here that is really

3369
02:22:17,190 --> 02:22:15,120
really cool okay

3370
02:22:20,389 --> 02:22:17,200
now this one

3371
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:20,399
is carved in three dimensions

3372
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:23,680
see that it's a base relief carving is

3373
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:25,200
what it is

3374
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:27,200
and you can see there's all kinds of

3375
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:29,040
symbols on the top there can you see

3376
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,120
that yep yeah yeah and then on the back

3377
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:35,200
there's some really you know amazing

3378
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:37,680
stuff as well

3379
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:38,640
yeah

3380
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:40,000
and

3381
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:43,120
i i don't

3382
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:45,359
the quality of this work is so good it

3383
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,399
just seems that it's

3384
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:50,960
and and with such consistency that i i

3385
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:52,880
just don't see this being a primitive

3386
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:55,840
culture i see this the the quality of

3387
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:57,600
this work is

3388
02:23:01,190 --> 02:23:00,319
it's it's outstanding and

3389
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:01,200
so

3390
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:06,870
these things came out of the ground for

3391
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:09,520
for all intents and purposes i i

3392
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:10,880
until

3393
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:15,920
somebody fabricating these in

3394
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:18,080
you know a warehouse somewhere down in

3395
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:19,280
mexico

3396
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,000
i'm i'm going to take them at face value

3397
02:23:25,990 --> 02:23:23,840
the other reason why i take them at face

3398
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:26,000
value is you see this amazing one right

3399
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:26,960
here

3400
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:28,479
now this

3401
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:31,040
is obviously three-dimensional these are

3402
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,200
individual pieces that that have been

3403
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:35,760
set in like a mosaic right

3404
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:38,479
right now this red area here you see

3405
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:41,439
between the pieces

3406
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:44,080
that is a glue it's it's whatever's

3407
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:47,439
holding these together now

3408
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:50,399
now can you compensate that glue this

3409
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,080
one right here do you see this real

3410
02:23:56,870 --> 02:23:54,560
light area right here

3411
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:56,880
yes i get it everything's backwards

3412
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:58,080
sorry

3413
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:00,160
that's where i scratched out a sample

3414
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:02,800
was along this little piece right here

3415
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:04,960
right i had that carbon dated this

3416
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:08,160
probably did this about three years ago

3417
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:11,120
14 000 bp

3418
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:16,640
yeah yeah yeah

3419
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:19,040
i mean that's the date okay so now

3420
02:24:23,030 --> 02:24:21,200
so what does that mean well it means

3421
02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:23,040
either a

3422
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:25,040
this is a really old artifact that was

3423
02:24:30,950 --> 02:24:28,080
made almost 15 000 years ago by a high

3424
02:24:33,670 --> 02:24:30,960
culture that used some type of crazy

3425
02:24:36,550 --> 02:24:33,680
glue that's holding this together and

3426
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:36,560
it's incredible or

3427
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:38,800
the other possibility and frankly we

3428
02:24:43,590 --> 02:24:39,920
have not

3429
02:24:46,710 --> 02:24:43,600
tried to uh tibet this yet is this could

3430
02:24:49,990 --> 02:24:46,720
be a material called kopal

3431
02:24:52,870 --> 02:24:50,000
kopal is an ancient tree sap

3432
02:24:55,910 --> 02:24:52,880
that archaeologists are aware of that it

3433
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:55,920
can be tens of thousands of years old

3434
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:58,479
that can be reactivated when it's found

3435
02:25:03,349 --> 02:25:01,200
in the field you heat it up it will it

3436
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:03,359
will go back to a gelatinous form and

3437
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:05,520
you can use it as a glue and it'll set

3438
02:25:10,870 --> 02:25:08,640
up and get hard now

3439
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:10,880
could that be what this is

3440
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:12,560
i can't say the answer is no because i

3441
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:14,720
haven't tested it yet i don't think it

3442
02:25:20,389 --> 02:25:17,920
is uh based on what i have seen but the

3443
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:20,399
other thing is uh that i've considered

3444
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:22,800
is imagine this jim have you ever been

3445
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:26,560
to um the tucson gem and mineral show

3446
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:27,520
i

3447
02:25:43,830 --> 02:25:40,160
go to that show and sell at that show

3448
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:43,840
absolutely okay so it's not so it's not

3449
02:25:47,190 --> 02:25:45,439
gonna be um

3450
02:25:48,870 --> 02:25:47,200
it's not foreign to you that there is a

3451
02:25:51,030 --> 02:25:48,880
show called the tucson gem and mineral

3452
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:51,040
show and i have many friends that deal

3453
02:25:54,630 --> 02:25:52,720
there i used to go there every year when

3454
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:54,640
i was in the fossil business but my

3455
02:25:59,590 --> 02:25:56,560
friends in the fossil business are

3456
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:59,600
collecting fossils that are tens and

3457
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:01,600
hundreds of millions of years old and

3458
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:03,600
then they collect pleistocene material

3459
02:26:09,030 --> 02:26:07,600
that can be 10 15 20 maybe up to 30 000

3460
02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:09,040
years old

3461
02:26:12,710 --> 02:26:11,200
now what if somebody took a modern

3462
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:12,720
adhesive

3463
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:16,880
and ground up a bunch of plasticine bone

3464
02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:19,439
mixed it with the glue and and you know

3465
02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:22,000
put the adornments and or the mosaic on

3466
02:26:26,469 --> 02:26:23,680
this artifact and

3467
02:26:27,910 --> 02:26:26,479
and so on what would the dating give you

3468
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:27,920
in that case

3469
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:30,240
probably give you an old day

3470
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:32,880
now would it look like this glue we see

3471
02:26:36,710 --> 02:26:34,720
on this piece here i don't know i

3472
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:36,720
haven't tested that yet either but these

3473
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:38,640
are two of the other possibilities that

3474
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:41,280
we could be talking about i have not

3475
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:43,840
done that work yet maybe somebody else

3476
02:26:48,150 --> 02:26:46,319
is looking at it but that's the way i

3477
02:26:51,750 --> 02:26:48,160
would attack something like this to try

3478
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:51,760
to see if you can falsify it

3479
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:53,680
but so far nobody's been able to prove

3480
02:27:03,510 --> 02:26:54,960
that

3481
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:03,520
being hoaxed

3482
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:04,319
that

3483
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:06,319
somebody's cover would have been blown

3484
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:09,359
by now i would agree i would agree

3485
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:11,200
there's too many artisans and some of

3486
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:14,319
these artists are really really good yes

3487
02:27:19,830 --> 02:27:17,520
it's 10 000 years old or it's modern

3488
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,840
these artists are really really good but

3489
02:27:23,830 --> 02:27:22,000
nobody's been busted yet

3490
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:23,840
you would have thought that

3491
02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:25,200
you know

3492
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:26,880
you would you would think so but jim did

3493
02:27:32,469 --> 02:27:29,040
you see the episode we did in season

3494
02:27:34,389 --> 02:27:32,479
four where i went with these guys these

3495
02:27:36,309 --> 02:27:34,399
four guys that brought these artifacts

3496
02:27:40,070 --> 02:27:36,319
to me that they said they came out of a

3497
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:40,080
cave this was over on the uh eastern

3498
02:27:44,389 --> 02:27:41,600
coast of the gulf where the hell were

3499
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:44,399
veracruz yeah veracruz i remember that

3500
02:27:47,750 --> 02:27:45,439
and right

3501
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:47,760
we shared those videos of the of the

3502
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:49,920
caves yeah

3503
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:51,920
remember the artifacts and how bad they

3504
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:54,240
were and the one had you know the

3505
02:27:59,270 --> 02:27:57,280
cleverly disguised ufo

3506
02:28:01,349 --> 02:27:59,280
and i'll god i'll never forget that i'm

3507
02:28:02,710 --> 02:28:01,359
looking at this artifact and we're

3508
02:28:05,429 --> 02:28:02,720
shooting and i'm like

3509
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,439
thinking to myself really dudes and so i

3510
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:07,439
went over to the field producer and i

3511
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:10,000
said josh i said you see this

3512
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:12,240
and he goes oh [\h__\h] and and then we

3513
02:28:16,710 --> 02:28:13,840
called back to

3514
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:16,720
um the network and and said what do you

3515
02:28:20,469 --> 02:28:18,640
guys want to do you know i'm like you

3516
02:28:21,750 --> 02:28:20,479
want me to bust them and they said yeah

3517
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:21,760
go for it

3518
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:23,760
and i was a little bit nervous about it

3519
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:25,359
but you know what the guys handled it in

3520
02:28:30,389 --> 02:28:27,680
stride they saw it they went ah

3521
02:28:33,910 --> 02:28:30,399
you know you're right and and they

3522
02:28:36,230 --> 02:28:33,920
actually thanked me right but so so my

3523
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:36,240
point is is that there is some crap out

3524
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:37,280
there right

3525
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:44,070
yeah there's a big difference between

3526
02:28:49,190 --> 02:28:46,640
that stuff and these these

3527
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:49,200
yeah which is absolutely crazy

3528
02:28:52,230 --> 02:28:50,800
let's take our break right here scott i

3529
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:52,240
got to get this in we'll come back to

3530
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:54,560
overtime and we're going to stay right

3531
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:56,800
here this is one of the most fascinating

3532
02:29:02,230 --> 02:28:59,840
aspects of of what is going on right now

3533
02:29:04,309 --> 02:29:02,240
in ufology which is these artifacts

3534
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:04,319
coming out of central america i am your

3535
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:05,840
host jimmy church our guest tonight

3536
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:08,160
scott walter we'll be right back after

3537
02:29:14,060 --> 02:29:09,760
this short break

3538
02:29:27,340 --> 02:29:26,040
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3539
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3540
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:37,510
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3541
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3542
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02:34:13,750 --> 02:34:11,670
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3630
02:34:16,150 --> 02:34:13,760
welcome back fade to black i am your

3631
02:34:17,349 --> 02:34:16,160
host jimmy church tonight scott walter

3632
02:34:21,510 --> 02:34:17,359
is with us

3633
02:34:23,990 --> 02:34:21,520
we're going into overtime uh tonight and

3634
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:24,000
scott has been showing us uh some

3635
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:27,520
different uh artifacts of the alien kind

3636
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:28,319
that

3637
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:30,720
um have been uh

3638
02:34:35,830 --> 02:34:33,680
surfacing in in mexico

3639
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:35,840
and and i've been checking this out for

3640
02:34:41,349 --> 02:34:37,840
a number of years and i'm fascinated

3641
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:41,359
with it and scott um

3642
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:43,520
a couple of years ago

3643
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:45,600
i had uh

3644
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,520
i was sent a video

3645
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:49,439
um

3646
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,840
an excavation in a cave and this is

3647
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:56,080
this is what the video showed

3648
02:35:01,030 --> 02:34:58,800
um it was a first off it was the

3649
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:01,040
expedition to the cave right that took a

3650
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:03,120
couple of days uh deep in the jungle

3651
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:04,960
they get there

3652
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:06,240
and uh

3653
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:09,120
they uh there's a series of ropes going

3654
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:11,520
down deep into this cave

3655
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:12,960
the

3656
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:18,800
this artifact

3657
02:35:23,510 --> 02:35:21,200
and it was

3658
02:35:25,349 --> 02:35:23,520
big it was like the size of a washing

3659
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:25,359
machine right

3660
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:27,520
and and they pull this thing out

3661
02:35:31,910 --> 02:35:30,399
and as it comes out and they're it's

3662
02:35:33,429 --> 02:35:31,920
covered in dirt and mud and they're

3663
02:35:35,670 --> 02:35:33,439
wiping it down

3664
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:35,680
and it's uh

3665
02:35:41,670 --> 02:35:39,280
a person sitting in a throne

3666
02:35:42,790 --> 02:35:41,680
okay so and it's square it's it's

3667
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:42,800
massive

3668
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:45,120
and they pull it out they they get this

3669
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:46,000
thing

3670
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:50,000
it's huge it's mass it's gigantic yep in

3671
02:35:55,750 --> 02:35:51,840
the back of a truck

3672
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:55,760
and uh they take it back uh into town

3673
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:57,120
and they take it off of the truck and

3674
02:36:00,150 --> 02:35:59,200
they're starting to clean it off

3675
02:36:01,110 --> 02:36:00,160
and

3676
02:36:02,309 --> 02:36:01,120
the

3677
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:02,319
high-res

3678
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:06,399
camera shots that are going over this

3679
02:36:11,910 --> 02:36:10,240
seated figure um you can see

3680
02:36:15,429 --> 02:36:11,920
the cracks

3681
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:15,439
in in the marble or whatever stone it is

3682
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:16,399
um

3683
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:18,319
it's obviously

3684
02:36:23,030 --> 02:36:21,280
very old and it's big this isn't one of

3685
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:23,040
the tiny little things that you know

3686
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:25,200
right knives or the pipes or these

3687
02:36:30,230 --> 02:36:27,359
things you know uh

3688
02:36:32,389 --> 02:36:30,240
this is the size of uh uh it's probably

3689
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:32,399
bigger than a

3690
02:36:38,150 --> 02:36:35,600
a dryer or a washing machine but

3691
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:38,160
anyway down one of the uh the arms of

3692
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:39,280
the chair

3693
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:41,760
right down the front

3694
02:36:46,309 --> 02:36:43,760
and the camera's going down there it is

3695
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:46,319
there's an alien face right it's right

3696
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:48,960
there it's clear as day and they're

3697
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:50,640
wiping it away

3698
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:51,760
and

3699
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:54,960
uh now as i look at this

3700
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:56,399
okay

3701
02:37:00,870 --> 02:36:58,399
it is what it is

3702
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:02,950
somebody going through

3703
02:37:06,070 --> 02:37:05,200
that kind of effort

3704
02:37:07,990 --> 02:37:06,080
to

3705
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:08,000
hoax

3706
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:08,720
a

3707
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:20,880
weren't

3708
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:25,280
how do i say this these didn't look like

3709
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:28,319
seasoned hoaxers with money

3710
02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:30,479
these look like

3711
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:31,680
normal

3712
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:34,960
people covered in dirt right

3713
02:37:38,550 --> 02:37:36,800
in this expedition right there's nothing

3714
02:37:40,710 --> 02:37:38,560
professional about this

3715
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:40,720
and uh but they pulled the object out

3716
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:43,280
and i looked at it and the only thing

3717
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:45,760
that i could think of is why

3718
02:37:50,389 --> 02:37:48,640
why hoax this now i never heard anything

3719
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:50,399
else about this object

3720
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:53,760
i didn't see any other videos i haven't

3721
02:37:58,070 --> 02:37:55,439
heard anything

3722
02:38:01,190 --> 02:37:58,080
and i don't know where it is it's

3723
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:01,200
probably in china

3724
02:38:06,150 --> 02:38:03,760
and why do you say that because

3725
02:38:08,389 --> 02:38:06,160
um i have been contacted by many of

3726
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:08,399
these people that are finding the exact

3727
02:38:12,309 --> 02:38:10,240
artifacts that you're talking about i

3728
02:38:15,830 --> 02:38:12,319
got a guy pulled up right here he texted

3729
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:15,840
me again today and um he says that

3730
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:18,960
they're pulling out these giant plates

3731
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:20,560
let you describe

3732
02:38:24,790 --> 02:38:22,800
um he said there's one plate they pulled

3733
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:24,800
out that was eight feet long

3734
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:27,040
it was like four feet tall

3735
02:38:32,950 --> 02:38:29,040
it was a landscape thing with all kinds

3736
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:32,960
of alien figures this particular one had

3737
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:35,680
aliens um

3738
02:38:39,590 --> 02:38:37,280
having sex

3739
02:38:41,590 --> 02:38:39,600
um and it was a base relief carving kind

3740
02:38:43,510 --> 02:38:41,600
of like the one i showed you before but

3741
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:43,520
it was in jade

3742
02:38:48,950 --> 02:38:46,479
and actually i have a piece that came

3743
02:38:51,670 --> 02:38:48,960
from that site right here

3744
02:38:55,030 --> 02:38:51,680
and if you look at

3745
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:55,040
if you can see that carving

3746
02:39:00,469 --> 02:38:58,080
yeah there's a guy sitting there

3747
02:39:03,190 --> 02:39:00,479
yeah it's like he's in um

3748
02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:03,200
uh looks to me like a ritual but if you

3749
02:39:08,309 --> 02:39:05,120
look at the other side can you see the

3750
02:39:09,830 --> 02:39:08,319
alien yeah i can

3751
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:09,840
and that's jade

3752
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,160
both ends are jade there's another alien

3753
02:39:15,429 --> 02:39:14,000
there i think that's a female yeah she's

3754
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:15,439
got breasts

3755
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:18,319
right and uh the other side has another

3756
02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:21,200
shaman i think oh it's got an alien no

3757
02:39:24,389 --> 02:39:23,280
it's got an alien head and then and a

3758
02:39:25,910 --> 02:39:24,399
spaceship

3759
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:25,920
but what's interesting is that the

3760
02:39:35,110 --> 02:39:32,309
see that yeah

3761
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:35,120
and there's a person right there

3762
02:39:40,870 --> 02:39:38,880
that i don't think is an alien but i

3763
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:40,880
i can't tell

3764
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:42,640
and then it has

3765
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:47,280
maize maze corn see that yeah

3766
02:39:51,510 --> 02:39:48,560
yeah

3767
02:39:53,830 --> 02:39:51,520
so i tried to date this thing

3768
02:39:55,190 --> 02:39:53,840
i actually drilled

3769
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:55,200
a hole

3770
02:39:58,070 --> 02:39:57,040
into the bone right there

3771
02:40:00,550 --> 02:39:58,080
right

3772
02:40:02,469 --> 02:40:00,560
and the bone the collagen and the bone

3773
02:40:05,190 --> 02:40:02,479
was gone so

3774
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:05,200
i wasn't able to date this thing

3775
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:09,270
it's old

3776
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:11,359
and this was found down and probably

3777
02:40:15,269 --> 02:40:13,200
found in an area very similar to where

3778
02:40:17,510 --> 02:40:15,279
you were but you know jim you mentioned

3779
02:40:19,190 --> 02:40:17,520
something about a throne and this is one

3780
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:19,200
of these serendipitous moments that's

3781
02:40:24,150 --> 02:40:21,600
happening right now because i picked up

3782
02:40:25,910 --> 02:40:24,160
this artifact i put it in my lap and i

3783
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:25,920
was going to show it to you

3784
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:28,000
and then you started you still haven't

3785
02:40:33,269 --> 02:40:30,720
seen it have you it's in my lap i saw

3786
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:33,279
you sit down with it okay so what is it

3787
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:41,429
okay that's crazy right yeah

3788
02:40:45,990 --> 02:40:43,680
okay now this can be dated i have not

3789
02:40:49,269 --> 02:40:46,000
dated this one yet but you see those

3790
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,279
eyes right and the mouth

3791
02:40:53,269 --> 02:40:51,439
those are those are adornments those

3792
02:40:54,150 --> 02:40:53,279
have been added those have been glued in

3793
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:54,160
there

3794
02:40:58,710 --> 02:40:57,200
so this can be tested but what i wanted

3795
02:41:00,710 --> 02:40:58,720
to point out

3796
02:41:07,590 --> 02:41:00,720
is you talked about a guy sitting on a

3797
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:11,030
can you see this guy here

3798
02:41:16,150 --> 02:41:12,230
oh

3799
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,710
at that and there's people attending to

3800
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:21,760
him yes yes yes yeah

3801
02:41:26,309 --> 02:41:24,000
yes trying to get the light on it but

3802
02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:26,319
yeah yeah yeah that's very similar to

3803
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:34,070
how about that for serendipity yeah yeah

3804
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:36,479
uh synchronicity scott what are we

3805
02:41:39,990 --> 02:41:38,640
really talking about here are we going

3806
02:41:45,349 --> 02:41:40,000
into

3807
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:45,359
cognitive dissonance where

3808
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:49,040
um are are we looking at obviously hope

3809
02:41:52,309 --> 02:41:51,279
stuff that is too good to be true

3810
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:52,319
and that

3811
02:41:57,349 --> 02:41:55,200
it's it's it's it's not real it's it's

3812
02:42:01,030 --> 02:41:57,359
just some modern

3813
02:42:03,830 --> 02:42:01,040
thing that is going on or

3814
02:42:06,469 --> 02:42:03,840
is is is are these are these real

3815
02:42:09,510 --> 02:42:06,479
ancient artifacts i mean what

3816
02:42:11,349 --> 02:42:09,520
i'm i am so perplexed with this and i'm

3817
02:42:13,910 --> 02:42:11,359
trying to stay objective man i'm trying

3818
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:13,920
to stay right in there i hear you jim

3819
02:42:18,070 --> 02:42:16,080
you you ask a great question and i gotta

3820
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:18,080
tell you remember i told you when i went

3821
02:42:23,910 --> 02:42:21,040
to the paradigm symposium ten years ago

3822
02:42:25,830 --> 02:42:23,920
um and i met mark russell and i saw

3823
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:25,840
these artifacts for the first time that

3824
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:27,920
one i just showed you was one that i

3825
02:42:32,230 --> 02:42:29,680
picked up back then

3826
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:32,240
and i remember i bought a bunch of them

3827
02:42:35,830 --> 02:42:34,080
from mark

3828
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:35,840
to get the price down and i thought to

3829
02:42:39,590 --> 02:42:37,359
myself well

3830
02:42:41,269 --> 02:42:39,600
these can't be real robert buval was at

3831
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:41,279
that conference and i asked him about it

3832
02:42:44,790 --> 02:42:43,120
and he said oh these are fake

3833
02:42:47,349 --> 02:42:44,800
well this is long before we did any of

3834
02:42:49,830 --> 02:42:47,359
this testing this is before the pipe

3835
02:42:51,110 --> 02:42:49,840
uh any of this stuff i was so fascinated

3836
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:51,120
with this damn

3837
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:53,520
you know this these symbols on here

3838
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:55,600
and i'm still fascinated in getting to

3839
02:42:59,030 --> 02:42:57,120
your question

3840
02:43:01,990 --> 02:42:59,040
are we dealing with

3841
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:02,000
what i would consider to be a hoax that

3842
02:43:05,670 --> 02:43:04,160
actually exceeds

3843
02:43:08,469 --> 02:43:05,680
you know the mystery behind the

3844
02:43:10,469 --> 02:43:08,479
burroughs cave artifacts right

3845
02:43:12,309 --> 02:43:10,479
um you know that's something that people

3846
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:12,319
are still claiming oh the cave is out

3847
02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:14,160
there and i say well when you find it

3848
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:15,520
you call me

3849
02:43:20,870 --> 02:43:17,840
and i will say this about burroughs cave

3850
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:20,880
and i'm going to brag just a little bit

3851
02:43:26,630 --> 02:43:23,840
i knew russ very well i bought a lot of

3852
02:43:27,510 --> 02:43:26,640
artifacts from russ he came to our house

3853
02:43:29,030 --> 02:43:27,520
and

3854
02:43:31,349 --> 02:43:29,040
he's one of the biggest bullshitters

3855
02:43:33,830 --> 02:43:31,359
i've ever met and he's lying about a lot

3856
02:43:34,630 --> 02:43:33,840
of the things that he said and i proved

3857
02:43:37,590 --> 02:43:34,640
it

3858
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:37,600
um to the to to date i'm the only person

3859
02:43:42,630 --> 02:43:40,080
that i'm aware of that has definitively

3860
02:43:44,950 --> 02:43:42,640
proven one way or the other

3861
02:43:46,790 --> 02:43:44,960
uh a burl's cave artifact and

3862
02:43:48,870 --> 02:43:46,800
unfortunately i proved that it was

3863
02:43:51,269 --> 02:43:48,880
modern and it was fake

3864
02:43:53,030 --> 02:43:51,279
um so much for the collection of

3865
02:43:55,670 --> 02:43:53,040
burroughs caves that i bought right i

3866
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:55,680
just pissed that money down my leg but

3867
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:57,520
the date is the data the results are the

3868
02:44:01,510 --> 02:43:58,720
results

3869
02:44:05,030 --> 02:44:01,520
but this is something that's different

3870
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:05,040
and right now jimmy if if you ask me

3871
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:06,720
okay scott

3872
02:44:11,670 --> 02:44:09,520
you got to decide right

3873
02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:11,680
yes or no

3874
02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:13,439
um

3875
02:44:19,670 --> 02:44:15,760
on many of these artifacts not all of

3876
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:19,680
them the answer is yes um i think that

3877
02:44:24,710 --> 02:44:22,479
they're they are genuinely old

3878
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:24,720
uh some of them not all of them

3879
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:27,680
uh i have no explanation for the glues

3880
02:44:32,469 --> 02:44:30,240
uh frankly between you and me this uh

3881
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:32,479
kopal explanation and the ground up

3882
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:33,840
fossil bone

3883
02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:36,000
although i think it it needs to be

3884
02:44:40,309 --> 02:44:38,080
tested we have to take that off the

3885
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:40,319
table i really don't think that's what's

3886
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:41,680
going on here

3887
02:44:46,230 --> 02:44:43,920
so what the hell is

3888
02:44:49,510 --> 02:44:46,240
i don't know and the other thing there

3889
02:44:51,830 --> 02:44:49,520
are thousands tens of thousands of these

3890
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:51,840
artifacts there are there are they're

3891
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:53,840
all over the place here let me show you

3892
02:44:59,750 --> 02:44:56,880
something crazy okay you ready for this

3893
02:45:01,110 --> 02:44:59,760
this guy down that i contacted or he

3894
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:01,120
contacted me

3895
02:45:06,630 --> 02:45:03,840
and has sent me all kinds of artifacts

3896
02:45:09,510 --> 02:45:06,640
that frankly i think are incredible

3897
02:45:11,750 --> 02:45:09,520
um this one is pretty nuts look at that

3898
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:14,790
yeah see now that's uh oh come on

3899
02:45:20,950 --> 02:45:18,240
right that that that's no come on i know

3900
02:45:23,510 --> 02:45:20,960
but what the hell dude um

3901
02:45:25,030 --> 02:45:23,520
i know okay okay but here's that's not

3902
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:25,040
what i wanted to show you here's what i

3903
02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:32,550
let's see

3904
02:45:34,630 --> 02:45:33,670
okay

3905
02:45:36,710 --> 02:45:34,640
um

3906
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:36,720
it's it's a little hot there do you see

3907
02:45:53,830 --> 02:45:45,910
that

3908
02:45:56,950 --> 02:45:53,840
on a second let me get this

3909
02:45:59,269 --> 02:45:56,960
okay all right can you se

3910
02:46:01,590 --> 02:45:59,279
okay oh wait here we go all right okay

3911
02:46:02,950 --> 02:46:01,600
yeah hold it up okay it's a skeleton of

3912
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:02,960
what

3913
02:46:08,389 --> 02:46:05,760
this guy says it's an alien

3914
02:46:10,790 --> 02:46:08,399
uh where's that from is that from peru

3915
02:46:13,110 --> 02:46:10,800
southern mexico that's from southern

3916
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:13,120
mexico yeah this is from like i think he

3917
02:46:18,790 --> 02:46:15,120
said two and a half hours

3918
02:46:20,230 --> 02:46:18,800
uh south southwest of uh mexico city

3919
02:46:21,910 --> 02:46:20,240
look at that

3920
02:46:23,830 --> 02:46:21,920
yeah

3921
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:23,840
where are the hands where are the feet

3922
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:25,840
yeah that's pretty crazy

3923
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:28,000
anyway and he's gonna i don't know what

3924
02:46:32,389 --> 02:46:30,240
to think about this he's invited me down

3925
02:46:33,190 --> 02:46:32,399
but i know that the cartel activity down

3926
02:46:34,630 --> 02:46:33,200
there

3927
02:46:36,790 --> 02:46:34,640
is really uh

3928
02:46:37,750 --> 02:46:36,800
really bad and uh

3929
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:37,760
you know

3930
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:40,000
i don't want to be used as uh

3931
02:46:43,670 --> 02:46:41,760
as a ransom tool

3932
02:46:45,910 --> 02:46:43,680
and i'm really frustrated jimmy because

3933
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:45,920
even where mark lives

3934
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:47,840
it's really dangerous he's been robbed

3935
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:49,840
multiple times down there

3936
02:46:54,630 --> 02:46:52,560
and i just don't need that bs in my life

3937
02:46:55,510 --> 02:46:54,640
as bad as i want to go down there what i

3938
02:46:57,750 --> 02:46:55,520
would

3939
02:46:59,830 --> 02:46:57,760
really like to do is to go down there

3940
02:47:02,070 --> 02:46:59,840
with a film crew and actually dig some

3941
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:02,080
of these things out of the ground i'd

3942
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:04,000
like to confirm that it's undisturbed

3943
02:47:07,830 --> 02:47:05,200
soil

3944
02:47:11,190 --> 02:47:07,840
that there's no evidence of intrusion

3945
02:47:13,590 --> 02:47:11,200
that these things are in situ and what i

3946
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:13,600
love to do is hopefully find a horizon

3947
02:47:18,469 --> 02:47:16,399
or or some organic material at the level

3948
02:47:20,790 --> 02:47:18,479
that we find these things

3949
02:47:22,550 --> 02:47:20,800
and date that you know that would be

3950
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:22,560
another way that you could potentially

3951
02:47:26,230 --> 02:47:24,479
date these things i have talked to

3952
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:26,240
people that have been down there and dug

3953
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:28,800
these up not just mark but other people

3954
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:30,880
who are a couple people who were actual

3955
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,520
scientists and they said they found them

3956
02:47:39,190 --> 02:47:35,520
within three to four feet of the surface

3957
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:39,200
some were shallower i saw their videos

3958
02:47:44,230 --> 02:47:41,920
i thought i found it very compelling now

3959
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:44,240
could somebody have faked that

3960
02:47:48,790 --> 02:47:47,120
i suppose they could have um

3961
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:48,800
well i don't think so here's i don't

3962
02:47:52,630 --> 02:47:49,840
think so

3963
02:47:55,030 --> 02:47:52,640
when i uh i held uh

3964
02:47:56,870 --> 02:47:55,040
there was two but specifically a

3965
02:47:59,429 --> 02:47:56,880
ceremonial knife

3966
02:48:00,389 --> 02:47:59,439
and it was probably uh

3967
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:00,399
uh

3968
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:04,880
glued in

3969
02:48:11,349 --> 02:48:08,640
uh serrated ceremonial like teeth

3970
02:48:13,590 --> 02:48:11,359
it was beautiful right okay and on the

3971
02:48:15,670 --> 02:48:13,600
hilt on the on the end

3972
02:48:18,469 --> 02:48:15,680
was this alien head

3973
02:48:20,309 --> 02:48:18,479
now i'm looking at this and and i was

3974
02:48:22,790 --> 02:48:20,319
told at the time

3975
02:48:25,030 --> 02:48:22,800
uh yeah i saw that um

3976
02:48:27,830 --> 02:48:25,040
like this uh no

3977
02:48:30,710 --> 02:48:27,840
okay so the see this is the serrated

3978
02:48:32,550 --> 02:48:30,720
edge right this right here the the one

3979
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:32,560
that i had those were glued in those

3980
02:48:36,389 --> 02:48:34,880
were squares all the way around oh you

3981
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,399
mean they were it they were uh

3982
02:48:39,990 --> 02:48:38,240
adornments that were yeah

3983
02:48:42,230 --> 02:48:40,000
yes yes yes

3984
02:48:43,750 --> 02:48:42,240
yeah these are open these are carved in

3985
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:43,760
you can see there

3986
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:46,960
but here's the deal so i was told then

3987
02:48:52,150 --> 02:48:48,960
as i'm holding this

3988
02:48:54,710 --> 02:48:52,160
um and i'm thinking i'm holding bs right

3989
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:54,720
i'm not i'm not all in at all and that i

3990
02:48:58,389 --> 02:48:57,200
was i was then told that the glue for

3991
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:58,399
the teeth

3992
02:49:04,469 --> 02:49:01,120
right on on the edge uh on top and

3993
02:49:07,670 --> 02:49:04,479
bottom was 15 000 years old carbonated

3994
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,680
now i'm looking at it it looks brand new

3995
02:49:11,269 --> 02:49:09,680
well you can see the dirt you know i'm

3996
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:11,279
not saying that but

3997
02:49:16,950 --> 02:49:14,720
but it looks perfect now here's my

3998
02:49:19,510 --> 02:49:16,960
criticism of this

3999
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:19,520
that whoever the artist is because what

4000
02:49:22,230 --> 02:49:20,880
i'm holding

4001
02:49:24,790 --> 02:49:22,240
is freaking

4002
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:24,800
beautiful i'm telling you

4003
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:30,790
creating that if they are creating it to

4004
02:49:38,830 --> 02:49:34,880
hoax it's a wasted life that artist

4005
02:49:41,790 --> 02:49:38,840
is amazing right that should be a world

4006
02:49:42,950 --> 02:49:41,800
famous i mean the the i mean

4007
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:42,960
[Music]

4008
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,800
right there's more money to be made in

4009
02:49:50,309 --> 02:49:47,520
just the actual art yeah instead of

4010
02:49:53,429 --> 02:49:50,319
hoaxing this stuff and that's where

4011
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:53,439
um my objectivity like goes out the

4012
02:49:56,710 --> 02:49:54,479
window

4013
02:49:59,030 --> 02:49:56,720
that this artist

4014
02:50:02,790 --> 02:49:59,040
would be one of the most famous

4015
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:02,800
sculptors in the world yeah no no jim

4016
02:50:08,230 --> 02:50:05,200
you make a good point and and that's

4017
02:50:09,910 --> 02:50:08,240
that is that is one of those what i call

4018
02:50:12,469 --> 02:50:09,920
human condition

4019
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:12,479
things um you know it goes back to like

4020
02:50:16,710 --> 02:50:14,880
olafoam and people would say oh well the

4021
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:16,720
farmer was too busy trying to make a

4022
02:50:21,030 --> 02:50:18,800
living for his family you know he could

4023
02:50:23,670 --> 02:50:21,040
never have carved it well from a

4024
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:23,680
personal human condition standpoint that

4025
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:25,840
makes a lot of sense but that's not

4026
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:27,359
evidence that proves that he didn't do

4027
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:30,000
it right right so it's kind of the same

4028
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:31,120
thing here

4029
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:32,880
um you know

4030
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:34,640
i mean i don't know about you but if you

4031
02:50:39,590 --> 02:50:37,120
look closely at these carvings and then

4032
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:39,600
the detailed work to make you know these

4033
02:50:43,429 --> 02:50:41,920
little serrations in here

4034
02:50:46,150 --> 02:50:43,439
um

4035
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:46,160
this is this is freaking amazing and

4036
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:48,399
then look at the dude on top here you

4037
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:51,040
know it's like yep and then this is a

4038
02:50:54,150 --> 02:50:53,040
separate piece here too

4039
02:50:56,550 --> 02:50:54,160
and

4040
02:50:58,389 --> 02:50:56,560
you know you can barely see you know the

4041
02:51:01,750 --> 02:50:58,399
group you know the edges where the two

4042
02:51:02,950 --> 02:51:01,760
rocks meet i mean the work is exquisite

4043
02:51:04,630 --> 02:51:02,960
and

4044
02:51:05,750 --> 02:51:04,640
you know why would you be screwing

4045
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:05,760
around

4046
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:07,760
i said you could make a living doing

4047
02:51:12,710 --> 02:51:09,760
this no problem you could probably sell

4048
02:51:17,269 --> 02:51:12,720
a knife like this for 10 grand right

4049
02:51:21,510 --> 02:51:17,279
on ebay all day long yeah yeah

4050
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:21,520
so i i'm i'm i am so confused with this

4051
02:51:24,630 --> 02:51:22,960
and i know

4052
02:51:26,710 --> 02:51:24,640
uh like i said it's a cognitive

4053
02:51:29,830 --> 02:51:26,720
dissonance where um i'm gonna have

4054
02:51:32,950 --> 02:51:29,840
somebody like michael shermer go church

4055
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:32,960
come on that's fake it's hoaxed well

4056
02:51:35,670 --> 02:51:34,080
okay

4057
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:35,680
then

4058
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:37,359
here's what you do here's what you do

4059
02:51:41,830 --> 02:51:39,680
okay look i deal with this this this

4060
02:51:44,389 --> 02:51:41,840
stuff all the time and and from people

4061
02:51:47,269 --> 02:51:44,399
that are really smart and people that i

4062
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:47,279
love you know rece i i have a very tight

4063
02:51:51,990 --> 02:51:49,840
group of researchers and a couple of

4064
02:51:53,750 --> 02:51:52,000
them are are pretty skeptical and one of

4065
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:53,760
them drives me crazy because everything

4066
02:51:58,870 --> 02:51:56,640
is not what you know we say it is now

4067
02:52:00,710 --> 02:51:58,880
those are the kind of people that i want

4068
02:52:01,830 --> 02:52:00,720
around me because i want them to think

4069
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:01,840
critically

4070
02:52:05,990 --> 02:52:03,920
um i like to think that i'm objective

4071
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:06,000
all the time but i'm not i mean you know

4072
02:52:09,750 --> 02:52:08,000
i've look i'm all in on the runestone

4073
02:52:12,150 --> 02:52:09,760
and and you're not going to change my

4074
02:52:14,389 --> 02:52:12,160
mind but here's the thing if somebody's

4075
02:52:15,750 --> 02:52:14,399
going to disagree with me or somebody's

4076
02:52:17,349 --> 02:52:15,760
gonna disagree with you and they're

4077
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:17,359
gonna get on your show and say oh that's

4078
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:18,880
a bunch of bs

4079
02:52:22,630 --> 02:52:20,479
the next question for you from your

4080
02:52:25,429 --> 02:52:22,640
mouth should be okay really i appreciate

4081
02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:25,439
that tell me specifically why you think

4082
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:27,120
that okay

4083
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:29,840
if it's just because you believe it

4084
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:32,640
to not be true or as many people who

4085
02:52:36,710 --> 02:52:35,040
tell me i believe in the runestone i say

4086
02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:36,720
to people look it's not a matter of

4087
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:37,840
faith

4088
02:52:42,469 --> 02:52:39,600
it's a matter of evidence

4089
02:52:44,550 --> 02:52:42,479
and when i draw a conclusion right

4090
02:52:46,150 --> 02:52:44,560
i have to come loaded with the evidence

4091
02:52:47,990 --> 02:52:46,160
to support the conclusion that i've

4092
02:52:50,230 --> 02:52:48,000
drawn it's the same thing for people

4093
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:50,240
that say oh that's bs really that's

4094
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:52,960
great tell me why you think it's bs

4095
02:52:56,309 --> 02:52:54,720
and i think sometimes

4096
02:52:57,110 --> 02:52:56,319
especially if it's somebody that you

4097
02:52:58,870 --> 02:52:57,120
know

4098
02:53:00,870 --> 02:52:58,880
like you and i mean if you got into my

4099
02:53:02,950 --> 02:53:00,880
grill about something and and i was you

4100
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:02,960
know on shaky ground you're going to

4101
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:04,479
punch me out a little bit but i'm not

4102
02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:06,000
going to be offended at the end of the

4103
02:53:10,550 --> 02:53:08,560
day we're still friends right that's the

4104
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:10,560
kind of relationship i think that's so

4105
02:53:15,590 --> 02:53:13,439
valuable because sometimes people are

4106
02:53:17,750 --> 02:53:15,600
afraid to speak up and say oh christ

4107
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:17,760
that's a bunch of [\h__\h]

4108
02:53:22,309 --> 02:53:19,920
tell me but don't just tell me what you

4109
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:22,319
think tell me why you think it that's

4110
02:53:27,190 --> 02:53:24,880
right because maybe maybe you might be

4111
02:53:29,670 --> 02:53:28,150
there

4112
02:53:32,630 --> 02:53:29,680
for this

4113
02:53:35,750 --> 02:53:32,640
this is just how my mind works scott

4114
02:53:37,590 --> 02:53:35,760
for these thousands of artifacts

4115
02:53:40,870 --> 02:53:37,600
to be created

4116
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:40,880
there is a factory somewhere

4117
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:42,240
full of people

4118
02:53:46,870 --> 02:53:45,359
with dremels right with dremels

4119
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:46,880
night and day

4120
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:47,920
green

4121
02:53:50,630 --> 02:53:49,680
yes yes

4122
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:50,640
i mean

4123
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:51,520
but

4124
02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:54,240
the the stones have to be brought there

4125
02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:56,800
they have to be designed they have to be

4126
02:54:00,150 --> 02:53:59,040
created then they've got to be shipped

4127
02:54:03,590 --> 02:54:00,160
somewhere

4128
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:03,600
and dug in a holes dug

4129
02:54:12,150 --> 02:54:08,160
caves found artifacts put in dirt refill

4130
02:54:15,030 --> 02:54:12,160
that it's like this logistical nightmare

4131
02:54:17,670 --> 02:54:15,040
somehow this is not get caught and not

4132
02:54:20,469 --> 02:54:17,680
get caught and here's another thing jim

4133
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:20,479
every one of these friggin artifacts

4134
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:21,760
is different

4135
02:54:25,750 --> 02:54:23,520
it's not like they're pumping them out

4136
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:25,760
in china in some factory where they're

4137
02:54:30,469 --> 02:54:28,399
making tens i mean every single one is

4138
02:54:32,389 --> 02:54:30,479
unique now you see a lot of the same

4139
02:54:34,790 --> 02:54:32,399
iconography you see

4140
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:34,800
you know sort of the same sort of layout

4141
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:36,960
sometimes but it's always a little bit

4142
02:54:41,190 --> 02:54:38,800
different and i'll tell you what who's

4143
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:41,200
coming up with these damn symbols okay

4144
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:43,760
everyone is different who's doing that i

4145
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:45,920
know like bob and jill and tom in the

4146
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:47,680
factory oh what'd you make over there i

4147
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:48,560
mean

4148
02:54:53,670 --> 02:54:50,000
right

4149
02:54:55,590 --> 02:54:53,680
and not repeat and not repeat

4150
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:55,600
so

4151
02:54:59,429 --> 02:54:57,520
ask your friends the ones that make

4152
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:59,439
these blanket statements i wish robert

4153
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:01,279
bevall was here and say robert you know

4154
02:55:06,630 --> 02:55:03,920
what i respect the hell out of you

4155
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:06,640
and i value your opinion but dude you

4156
02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:08,399
got to bring some support to your

4157
02:55:14,469 --> 02:55:10,960
opinion otherwise it doesn't mean crap

4158
02:55:17,349 --> 02:55:14,479
yep it's just that's it yeah yeah yeah

4159
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:17,359
it's it's it's tough man yeah it's tough

4160
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:19,200
and i've i've held so many of these in

4161
02:55:24,389 --> 02:55:20,720
my hands and

4162
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:24,399
and looked at it really closely

4163
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:27,760
and i can't figure it out i i can't one

4164
02:55:32,150 --> 02:55:29,600
more question i got a question for you

4165
02:55:34,630 --> 02:55:32,160
jim okay and be honest okay because

4166
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:34,640
we're all listening

4167
02:55:38,309 --> 02:55:35,680
so

4168
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:38,319
you hold one of these artifacts okay

4169
02:55:41,590 --> 02:55:39,680
and you and i have just now been

4170
02:55:44,630 --> 02:55:41,600
scratching our brains trying to think

4171
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:44,640
scientifically trying to uh you know to

4172
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:46,960
think about it from a human standpoint

4173
02:55:50,230 --> 02:55:48,560
you know could these people have done

4174
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:50,240
this going out in the field digging

4175
02:55:53,190 --> 02:55:51,439
holes doing the whole thing that you

4176
02:55:55,510 --> 02:55:53,200
described

4177
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:55,520
but be honest with me

4178
02:56:02,070 --> 02:55:59,439
when you hold these things in your hand

4179
02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:02,080
what does your gut tell you what does

4180
02:56:06,790 --> 02:56:04,800
your heart tell you do you feel

4181
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:06,800
something when you hold these artifacts

4182
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:09,359
when you see these artifacts

4183
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:11,359
is there something else that is hard to

4184
02:56:17,030 --> 02:56:13,680
put into words that's hard to

4185
02:56:20,550 --> 02:56:17,040
quantify yeah is there something there

4186
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:20,560
yeah scott they feel magical to me

4187
02:56:29,110 --> 02:56:24,560
um there is just something so esoteric

4188
02:56:29,910 --> 02:56:29,120
to them uh the real ones um and where

4189
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:29,920
there

4190
02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:36,000
to it that this tactile thing that you

4191
02:56:38,790 --> 02:56:37,439
get yeah

4192
02:56:40,630 --> 02:56:38,800
that uh

4193
02:56:44,230 --> 02:56:40,640
they're all heavy

4194
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:44,240
you know these aren't soapstone no right

4195
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,399
it's that sandstone

4196
02:56:49,990 --> 02:56:48,240
and it's uh

4197
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:50,000
and they're uh they're exquisite you

4198
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:51,279
know they're they're they're perfect

4199
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:52,560
they're magical

4200
02:56:58,630 --> 02:56:55,279
and i that's that's what i get from it

4201
02:57:02,070 --> 02:56:58,640
there's something very very mystical i'm

4202
02:57:04,790 --> 02:57:02,080
telling you um i i i didn't think about

4203
02:57:06,790 --> 02:57:04,800
the resin part but i did hold uh one of

4204
02:57:08,550 --> 02:57:06,800
the pipes right a

4205
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:08,560
bigger pipe than yours

4206
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:10,160
and i looked right in that thing was

4207
02:57:14,550 --> 02:57:11,520
smoked in

4208
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:14,560
i looked right in it you know and

4209
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:17,120
it's and i just and this is so let me

4210
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:19,040
ask you this did you ever take that pipe

4211
02:57:24,950 --> 02:57:21,600
and have a puff yourself no i don't puff

4212
02:57:26,150 --> 02:57:24,960
puff anymore oh okay

4213
02:57:28,790 --> 02:57:26,160
just for fun

4214
02:57:31,349 --> 02:57:28,800
no i don't i don't i i haven't done it

4215
02:57:34,469 --> 02:57:31,359
in a while hey scott thank you so much

4216
02:57:36,870 --> 02:57:34,479
listen uh good luck on your trip okay

4217
02:57:38,230 --> 02:57:36,880
keep you updated on everything and uh

4218
02:57:39,190 --> 02:57:38,240
we'll get you back on the show when you

4219
02:57:41,269 --> 02:57:39,200
get back

4220
02:57:42,790 --> 02:57:41,279
and uh you'll give us the updates on

4221
02:57:44,550 --> 02:57:42,800
everything thank you certainly will hey

4222
02:57:47,269 --> 02:57:44,560
jimmy thank you for having me on man i

4223
02:57:50,870 --> 02:57:47,279
really appreciate it this is so much fun

4224
02:57:52,950 --> 02:57:50,880
and um you know what um i'm with you i'm

4225
02:57:55,429 --> 02:57:52,960
feeling it on these things too right now

4226
02:57:56,550 --> 02:57:55,439
and uh there's more to come so stay

4227
02:57:59,190 --> 02:57:56,560
tuned

4228
02:58:00,950 --> 02:57:59,200
thanks for watching everybody and uh

4229
02:58:03,269 --> 02:58:00,960
till the next time

4230
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:03,279
scott walter scott you're the very best

4231
02:58:07,590 --> 02:58:04,880
my friend thank you so much my best to

4232
02:58:10,710 --> 02:58:07,600
janet safe travels and we'll see you

4233
02:58:12,070 --> 02:58:10,720
when you get back scott walter and with

4234
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:12,080
that i'm going to get out of here

4235
02:58:17,349 --> 02:58:15,120
tomorrow night dave schrader is with us

4236
02:58:19,990 --> 02:58:17,359
and tomorrow night we are going to be

4237
02:58:22,630 --> 02:58:20,000
doing the rise of the gods and how

4238
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:22,640
marvel has taken upon themselves to

4239
02:58:28,309 --> 02:58:25,680
crank out movie after movie focusing on

4240
02:58:30,070 --> 02:58:28,319
a different culture's gods

4241
02:58:32,389 --> 02:58:30,080
very interesting and that's what we are

4242
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:32,399
doing tomorrow night this is fade to

4243
02:58:36,790 --> 02:58:34,240
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4244
02:58:39,190 --> 02:58:36,800
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4245
02:58:40,429 --> 02:58:39,200
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4246
02:58:42,469 --> 02:58:40,439
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4247
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:42,479
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4248
02:58:45,510 --> 02:58:44,240
out of here i will see everybody

4249
02:58:48,950 --> 02:58:45,520
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4250
02:58:51,110 --> 02:58:48,960
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4251
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:51,120
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4258
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4260
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4264
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4265
02:59:22,870 --> 02:59:20,960
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4266
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4267
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